Hah. One of my favorite characters is Marty Byrde in Ozark. It's hard not to root for Vic Van Allen in Deep Water too. Sentimental both of them. But dead-eyed too
-----Original Message----- From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of glen Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 1:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A million year old driving assistant Well, OK. So we can partition freak-outs into (at least) 2 types: angry vs joyous ... or whatever other false binary you choose (pro- vs anti-social perhaps). Then we argue for suppression of one but not suppression of the other? Pffft. That doesn't work. E.g. https://youtu.be/etK7e7iBJVQ You'd just end up living in a world of dead-eyed automatons. What you seem to be targeting, here, is *material* cause. Those of us who tend to flood more than others need less access to powerful tools like cars and guns. Again, it's not the freak-out that's the problem. It's the network in which the freak-out exists. On 4/28/22 13:40, Marcus Daniels wrote: > It's not about the manners, it's about learning to distance from discomfort. > Like continuing to press a climb up a hill on a bicycle while the lactic > acid burns your legs. > > Spend some time around someone with borderline personality disorder for a > while, you will change your mind. > > Road rage is a common example. The other day there was a bicycle that I was > approaching who wasn't going very fast, even for a bicyclist. She did have > every right to be there, and so I was also going slow to wait for her to get > around a parked car before I passed. Meanwhile, some lunatic comes up > behind us laying on his horn, oscillating from the left side of the lane to > the right trying to find a way around. Because he went so far right, there > was no way he couldn't see the bicyclist. I don't have a lot of patience > for this kind of behavior, so I indicated my displeasure with a middle > finger. This individual then roars in front of us both and puts his car > horizontally in front of mine. He gets out and starts banging on my window > to get his "catharsis". Had I determined he was an actual threat to us, I > might have pushed his car out the way with mine (which was much larger), or > had I a weapon, shot him. F*ck his catharsis, he can share the minor > frustration of daily life with the rest of us, and in silence please. There > is no benefit in his freak out, it was basically a criminal act as far as I > was concerned. > > There are situations which a rant is truly righteous, but I have found mostly > no one cares about that. Usually this discovery comes at some personal or > professional cost. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of glen > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 1:20 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A million year old driving assistant > > "This is your last free article." [baaaaahhhhhhhh] Now what am I gonna > read this weekend!?!? Damn you! [stomp][stomp][stomp] > > Of course, I disagree completely with the point being made, there. The > freak-out improves relationships and rationality, smooths over difficulties > in the real world, and has all sorts of narrative-breaking, cathartic > benefits. In the same way that convictions to ideologies foster conservatism > and hamper progress, the suppression of one's freak-outs amounts to rejecting > a large array of measures and indicators one might ordinarily use to > understand the world. The problem isn't the freak-out. The problem is a lack > of tolerance *for* freak-outs. It's the repressed Victorians running around > complaining about the lack of manners and decorum around them. > > Please. Don't repress your freak-outs. We're tough. We can withstand your > freak-out and use it to better plan for the future. The last thing we need is > to turn into a bunch of dead-affect emotionless, freak-out-free psychopaths. > Where would stand-up comedy be without freak-outs? Where would we get our > qualia-laden *rants* from? What even is laughing if *not* a kind of freak-out? > > I haven't had the giggles in decades. But for some reason, a group of us were > eating lunch a few weeks ago. Someone told a joke. Another someone kept > laughing. I mean, even after the topic had changed and everyone'd moved on. > This dude kept laughing. I tried to take a sip of beer and I ended up > snorting it ... just because that other dude kept laughing. I'm allergic to > barley. So when I snort beer it seriously messes me up for about an hour or > 2. Fvcking laughing. Stupid freak-out. I should have suppressed it. > > On 4/28/22 12:53, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> “Emotional flooding might have helped your Pleistocene ancestors survive, >> but it is maladapted to most modern interactions.” >> >> https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/04/how-to-manage-emot >> ions-and-reactions/629692/ >> <https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/04/how-to-manage-emo >> tions-and-reactions/629692/> > > -- Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . 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