Sure, it depends whether we define a state-of-mind as the freak out, or the observed behavior of the freak out. The former could happen, and no one would know. And I think you are confusing sociopathy with psychopathy in this example.
-----Original Message----- From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of glen Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 2:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A million year old driving assistant But by keeping it together, you *weaken* your plausible deniability. Keeping it together would give the prosecutor the ammunition to accuse you of [pre]mediated murder (with [pre] in brackets because it's not technically pre-mediated murder). The more cold-blooded you are, the more likely we'll interpret your killing as cold-blooded murder. So a competent sociopath gets good at *simulating* freak-outs. Again, the freak-out isn't the problem, here. Freaking out is a tool just like any other. And it's rational and intelligent to use the tool deliberately. On 4/28/22 14:17, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Just to clarify, I wouldn't shoot the guy because I was emotional. He was > the one that experienced the freak out. In some potential circumstance, I > would potentially do it for protection of my passenger, and to a lesser > extent as a sort of public service, because the opportunity was given to me > in the context of (plausible) self-defense. The subtler reason that excuse > would be appealing would be due to the basic injustice that I was basically > keeping it together and he was not, and keeping it together is work. So > why should I take on the burden for adapting to lazy people? Just because I > can? If we go around making special accommodations for people that don't > try to keep it together, one can expect a lot more of it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of glen > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 1:49 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A million year old driving assistant > > Well, OK. So we can partition freak-outs into (at least) 2 types: angry vs > joyous ... or whatever other false binary you choose (pro- vs anti-social > perhaps). Then we argue for suppression of one but not suppression of the > other? Pffft. That doesn't work. E.g. https://youtu.be/etK7e7iBJVQ You'd just > end up living in a world of dead-eyed automatons. > > What you seem to be targeting, here, is *material* cause. Those of us who > tend to flood more than others need less access to powerful tools like cars > and guns. Again, it's not the freak-out that's the problem. It's the network > in which the freak-out exists. > > On 4/28/22 13:40, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> It's not about the manners, it's about learning to distance from discomfort. >> Like continuing to press a climb up a hill on a bicycle while the lactic >> acid burns your legs. >> >> Spend some time around someone with borderline personality disorder for a >> while, you will change your mind. >> >> Road rage is a common example. The other day there was a bicycle that I >> was approaching who wasn't going very fast, even for a bicyclist. She did >> have every right to be there, and so I was also going slow to wait for her >> to get around a parked car before I passed. Meanwhile, some lunatic comes >> up behind us laying on his horn, oscillating from the left side of the lane >> to the right trying to find a way around. Because he went so far right, >> there was no way he couldn't see the bicyclist. I don't have a lot of >> patience for this kind of behavior, so I indicated my displeasure with a >> middle finger. This individual then roars in front of us both and puts his >> car horizontally in front of mine. He gets out and starts banging on my >> window to get his "catharsis". Had I determined he was an actual threat to >> us, I might have pushed his car out the way with mine (which was much >> larger), or had I a weapon, shot him. F*ck his catharsis, he can share >> the minor frustration of daily life with the rest of us, and in silence >> please. There is no benefit in his freak out, it was basically a criminal >> act as far as I was concerned. >> >> There are situations which a rant is truly righteous, but I have found >> mostly no one cares about that. Usually this discovery comes at some >> personal or professional cost. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of glen >> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 1:20 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A million year old driving assistant >> >> "This is your last free article." [baaaaahhhhhhhh] Now what am I >> gonna read this weekend!?!? Damn you! [stomp][stomp][stomp] >> >> Of course, I disagree completely with the point being made, there. The >> freak-out improves relationships and rationality, smooths over difficulties >> in the real world, and has all sorts of narrative-breaking, cathartic >> benefits. In the same way that convictions to ideologies foster conservatism >> and hamper progress, the suppression of one's freak-outs amounts to >> rejecting a large array of measures and indicators one might ordinarily use >> to understand the world. The problem isn't the freak-out. The problem is a >> lack of tolerance *for* freak-outs. It's the repressed Victorians running >> around complaining about the lack of manners and decorum around them. >> >> Please. Don't repress your freak-outs. We're tough. We can withstand your >> freak-out and use it to better plan for the future. The last thing we need >> is to turn into a bunch of dead-affect emotionless, freak-out-free >> psychopaths. Where would stand-up comedy be without freak-outs? Where would >> we get our qualia-laden *rants* from? What even is laughing if *not* a kind >> of freak-out? >> >> I haven't had the giggles in decades. But for some reason, a group of us >> were eating lunch a few weeks ago. Someone told a joke. Another someone kept >> laughing. I mean, even after the topic had changed and everyone'd moved on. >> This dude kept laughing. I tried to take a sip of beer and I ended up >> snorting it ... just because that other dude kept laughing. I'm allergic to >> barley. So when I snort beer it seriously messes me up for about an hour or >> 2. Fvcking laughing. Stupid freak-out. I should have suppressed it. >> >> On 4/28/22 12:53, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>> “Emotional flooding might have helped your Pleistocene ancestors survive, >>> but it is maladapted to most modern interactions.” >>> >>> https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/04/how-to-manage-emo >>> t >>> ions-and-reactions/629692/ >>> <https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/04/how-to-manage-em >>> o >>> tions-and-reactions/629692/> >> -- Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . 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