But by keeping it together, you *weaken* your plausible deniability. Keeping it 
together would give the prosecutor the ammunition to accuse you of 
[pre]mediated murder (with [pre] in brackets because it's not technically 
pre-mediated murder). The more cold-blooded you are, the more likely we'll 
interpret your killing as cold-blooded murder.

So a competent sociopath gets good at *simulating* freak-outs. Again, the 
freak-out isn't the problem, here. Freaking out is a tool just like any other. 
And it's rational and intelligent to use the tool deliberately.

On 4/28/22 14:17, Marcus Daniels wrote:
Just to clarify, I wouldn't shoot the guy because I was emotional.  He was the 
one that experienced the freak out.   In some potential circumstance, I would 
potentially do it for protection of my passenger, and to a lesser extent as a 
sort of public service, because the opportunity was given to me in the context 
of (plausible) self-defense.   The subtler reason that excuse would be 
appealing would be due to the basic injustice that I was basically keeping it 
together and he was not, and keeping it together is work.    So why should I 
take on the burden for adapting to lazy people?   Just because I can?   If we 
go around making special accommodations for people that don't try to keep it 
together, one can expect a lot more of it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of glen
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 1:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A million year old driving assistant

Well, OK. So we can partition freak-outs into (at least) 2 types: angry vs 
joyous ... or whatever other false binary you choose (pro- vs anti-social 
perhaps). Then we argue for suppression of one but not suppression of the 
other? Pffft. That doesn't work. E.g. https://youtu.be/etK7e7iBJVQ You'd just 
end up living in a world of dead-eyed automatons.

What you seem to be targeting, here, is *material* cause. Those of us who tend 
to flood more than others need less access to powerful tools like cars and 
guns. Again, it's not the freak-out that's the problem. It's the network in 
which the freak-out exists.

On 4/28/22 13:40, Marcus Daniels wrote:
It's not about the manners, it's about learning to distance from discomfort.   
Like continuing to press a climb up a hill on a bicycle while the lactic acid 
burns your legs.

Spend some time around someone with borderline personality disorder for a 
while, you will change your mind.

Road rage is a common example.   The other day there was a bicycle that I was approaching 
who wasn't going very fast, even for a bicyclist.  She did have every right to be there, 
and so I was also going slow to wait for her to get around a parked car before I passed.  
 Meanwhile, some lunatic comes up behind us laying on his horn, oscillating from the left 
side of the lane to the right trying to find a way around.  Because he went so far right, 
there was no way he couldn't see the bicyclist.   I don't have a lot of patience for this 
kind of behavior, so I indicated my displeasure with a middle finger.  This individual 
then roars in front of us both and puts his car horizontally in front of mine.   He gets 
out and starts banging on my window to get his "catharsis".  Had I determined 
he was an actual threat to us, I might have pushed his car out the way with mine (which 
was much larger), or had I a weapon, shot him.     F*ck his catharsis, he can share the 
minor frustration of daily life with the rest of us, and in silence please.   There is no 
benefit in his freak out, it was basically a criminal act as far as I was concerned.

There are situations which a rant is truly righteous, but I have found mostly 
no one cares about that.   Usually this discovery comes at some personal or 
professional cost.

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of glen
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 1:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A million year old driving assistant

"This is your last free article." [baaaaahhhhhhhh] Now what am I gonna
read this weekend!?!? Damn you! [stomp][stomp][stomp]

Of course, I disagree completely with the point being made, there. The 
freak-out improves relationships and rationality, smooths over difficulties in 
the real world, and has all sorts of narrative-breaking, cathartic benefits. In 
the same way that convictions to ideologies foster conservatism and hamper 
progress, the suppression of one's freak-outs amounts to rejecting a large 
array of measures and indicators one might ordinarily use to understand the 
world. The problem isn't the freak-out. The problem is a lack of tolerance 
*for* freak-outs. It's the repressed Victorians running around complaining 
about the lack of manners and decorum around them.

Please. Don't repress your freak-outs. We're tough. We can withstand your 
freak-out and use it to better plan for the future. The last thing we need is 
to turn into a bunch of dead-affect emotionless, freak-out-free psychopaths. 
Where would stand-up comedy be without freak-outs? Where would we get our 
qualia-laden *rants* from? What even is laughing if *not* a kind of freak-out?

I haven't had the giggles in decades. But for some reason, a group of us were 
eating lunch a few weeks ago. Someone told a joke. Another someone kept 
laughing. I mean, even after the topic had changed and everyone'd moved on. 
This dude kept laughing. I tried to take a sip of beer and I ended up snorting 
it ... just because that other dude kept laughing. I'm allergic to barley. So 
when I snort beer it seriously messes me up for about an hour or 2. Fvcking 
laughing. Stupid freak-out. I should have suppressed it.

On 4/28/22 12:53, Marcus Daniels wrote:
“Emotional flooding might have helped your Pleistocene ancestors survive, but 
it is maladapted to most modern interactions.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/04/how-to-manage-emot
ions-and-reactions/629692/
<https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/04/how-to-manage-emo
tions-and-reactions/629692/>



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