Just wanted to know how object-oriented programming is a burden? :)
>(without the burden of being object-oriented at the
> same time)
Shawn Regan
Applications Developer
Pacific Technology Solutions
--- Patrick McElhaney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree 100%. Tell them that you just want to use CF+XFB as a thin
> abstraction layer on top of Java. The reason CF works so well (IMHO)
> is that it's the ONLY language specifically designed to be a front
> end for the web (without the burden of being object-oriented at the
> same time). Why not let CF do the one thing it was designed for and
> let Java focus on what it knows best?
>
> Patrick
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 10:52 PM
> > To: Fusebox
> > Subject: RE: JSP vs CF
> >
> >
> > That's EXACTLY how I see it !! Separate the business logic to the
> back
> > end...Leave for Java. Meanwhile kick-ass in the front end with CF
> > and FB+XFB
> > !! (Hardly the correct way to phrase it when presenting the idea
> but I'm
> > working on it)
> >
> > I've also been looking at incorporating XSL stylesheets into my FB
> > designs...There's some great custom tags for the Java XSL
> transformers out
> > there. :)
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ross Keatinge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 10:45 PM
> > To: Fusebox
> > Subject: Re: JSP vs CF
> >
> >
> > I can understand your feelings about JSP and CF Stacy. Here is my
> > story for
> > what its worth. I am a programmer with quite a bit of CF
> > experience although
> > much of my other work has been in 'real' languages like C, VB (some
> would
> > argue the definition of 'real' but ...) and others. I work with a
> page
> > designer and last year we developed an ecommerce / storefront /
> > catalog site
> > in non-FB CF. I've always felt somewhat frustrated with CF
> > because its not a
> > strongly typed 'real' language.
> >
> > Our application needs lots of new features and is ready for a
> version 2
> > rewrite. This time I really want to get business logic and
> > content separated
> > as much as possible. In the last few months I've made a big
> > effort to learn
> > Java because I somehow convinced myself that JSP / Servlets /
> > JavaBeans were
> > the way to go. I spent a lot of time playing with Struts
> > (http://jakarta.apache.org/struts)and then Webwork
> > (http://sourceforge.net/projects/webwork). Both of these are good
> > Model View
> > Controller frameworks for JSP being developed by some very smart
> people. I
> > suggest that your Java people should be at least be looking at
> > these if you
> > can't convince them to go to CF. I found both had quite a steep
> learning
> > curve and neither is quite released to version 1 yet. I too got
> > excited when
> > I found CachedRowSet and wrote a bean to use it but gave up over
> issues of
> > jdbc drivers of varying quality and features.
> >
> > I then discovered Fusebox. With CF 5 ready to go it was just too
> good to
> > move past. I couldn't see any compelling reason to switch to JSP
> > and we are
> > about to start redeveloping our app using XFB.
> >
> > I still like Java but I am not convinced about the JSP idea. My
> > frustration
> > with CF being 'just' a scripting language is still there to some
> > extent so I
> > am looking at doing some of my back end stuff in Java using
> > either Java CFX
> > tags or CFOBJECT when I want the features of a 'real' language. I
> really
> > feel like I have the best of both worlds now.
> >
> > Cheers all
> > Ross
> >
> > (A New Zealander in the USA. Been lurking here for a while.)
> >
> > --- Stacy Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > *sigh*
> > >
> > > Some peeps just don't get it. I'm 110% confident anything
> developed in
> > > JSP can be replicated in CF and vice-versa (given the correct
> skillset
> > > on the
> > > developer). but MY GOD our place is OBSESSED with everything
> going
> > > Java on
> > > the front end...Projects are taking 10 times as long !!!
> > [snip]
> >
>
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