I agree again.
I'd be interested in hearing any real world experiences of CF
integration with a Java back end (with or without FB but preferably
with). I'm really just thinking out loud here but ...
How good is it to use Javabeans with cfobject? I think that means
instantiating and then throwing away the object on every hit. I wonder
what the performance implications are (lots of garbage collections?). I
think the same applies to Java CFX tags. I think Java MVC
implementations like Struts keep only one bean running and then creates
a new thread for a request. I haven't really looked closely at EJB but
will soon. Something like CF as a front end to JBoss might be a good
way to go. Its not an issue for me right now since my immediate use of
Java with CF is not high performance and needs to do things like tcp/ip
communication and file processing beyond what cfhttp and cffile can
easily do. Calling Java objects with cfobject has worked very well for
this.
Ross
--- Patrick McElhaney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree 100%. Tell them that you just want to use CF+XFB as a thin
> abstraction layer on top of Java. The reason CF works so well (IMHO)
> is that it's the ONLY language specifically designed to be a front
> end for the web (without the burden of being object-oriented at the
> same time). Why not let CF do the one thing it was designed for and
> let Java focus on what it knows best?
>
> Patrick
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 10:52 PM
> > To: Fusebox
> > Subject: RE: JSP vs CF
> >
> >
> > That's EXACTLY how I see it !! Separate the business logic to the
> back
> > end...Leave for Java. Meanwhile kick-ass in the front end with CF
> > and FB+XFB
> > !! (Hardly the correct way to phrase it when presenting the idea
> but I'm
> > working on it)
> >
> > I've also been looking at incorporating XSL stylesheets into my FB
> > designs...There's some great custom tags for the Java XSL
> transformers out
> > there. :)
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ross Keatinge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 10:45 PM
> > To: Fusebox
> > Subject: Re: JSP vs CF
> >
> >
> > I can understand your feelings about JSP and CF Stacy. Here is my
> > story for
> > what its worth. I am a programmer with quite a bit of CF
> > experience although
> > much of my other work has been in 'real' languages like C, VB (some
> would
> > argue the definition of 'real' but ...) and others. I work with a
> page
> > designer and last year we developed an ecommerce / storefront /
> > catalog site
> > in non-FB CF. I've always felt somewhat frustrated with CF
> > because its not a
> > strongly typed 'real' language.
> >
> > Our application needs lots of new features and is ready for a
> version 2
> > rewrite. This time I really want to get business logic and
> > content separated
> > as much as possible. In the last few months I've made a big
> > effort to learn
> > Java because I somehow convinced myself that JSP / Servlets /
> > JavaBeans were
> > the way to go. I spent a lot of time playing with Struts
> > (http://jakarta.apache.org/struts)and then Webwork
> > (http://sourceforge.net/projects/webwork). Both of these are good
> > Model View
> > Controller frameworks for JSP being developed by some very smart
> people. I
> > suggest that your Java people should be at least be looking at
> > these if you
> > can't convince them to go to CF. I found both had quite a steep
> learning
> > curve and neither is quite released to version 1 yet. I too got
> > excited when
> > I found CachedRowSet and wrote a bean to use it but gave up over
> issues of
> > jdbc drivers of varying quality and features.
> >
> > I then discovered Fusebox. With CF 5 ready to go it was just too
> good to
> > move past. I couldn't see any compelling reason to switch to JSP
> > and we are
> > about to start redeveloping our app using XFB.
> >
> > I still like Java but I am not convinced about the JSP idea. My
> > frustration
> > with CF being 'just' a scripting language is still there to some
> > extent so I
> > am looking at doing some of my back end stuff in Java using
> > either Java CFX
> > tags or CFOBJECT when I want the features of a 'real' language. I
> really
> > feel like I have the best of both worlds now.
> >
> > Cheers all
> > Ross
> >
> > (A New Zealander in the USA. Been lurking here for a while.)
> >
> > --- Stacy Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > *sigh*
> > >
> > > Some peeps just don't get it. I'm 110% confident anything
> developed in
> > > JSP can be replicated in CF and vice-versa (given the correct
> skillset
> > > on the
> > > developer). but MY GOD our place is OBSESSED with everything
> going
> > > Java on
> > > the front end...Projects are taking 10 times as long !!!
> > [snip]
> >
>
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