He did already. I checked, curious myself. Second item mentions the IDF training.
Refs: http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1534779,00.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1534753,00.html Also remember that the "some" Israeli commando training occurred at Ft Bragg just before troops were deployed in 2003. I'm not blaming the IDF for training where they've been invited to share what they've learned about guerrilla warfare, as long as it includes learning from their mistakes as well. Since 2003 the IDF has had its own share of remorse experiences, both internally and externally. But I do blame the zealotry of some in the US administration for rushing into a cyclone, using tactics that inflamed rather then becalmed the citizens they were occupying. Rumsfeld and Campone did not relieve Boynton of duty after his misguided public statements revealed his 'God is my trigger finger' zeitgeist. They've not honestly addressed the panicked policy overreactions that led to Abu Ghraib, which we know were practiced at Gitmo first. The only reason Gonzales may not have been Bush's nominee is because he is linked to the torture memos. Friday the Executive Branch refused to comply with a judge's order to release the remainder of the Abu Ghraib images, which are more incendiary than those already released. They don't believe that leaders can admit mistakes, that it's a sign of weakness to apologize. "They" are not fit for command. KwC Chris, are you sure that IDF trained the UK police who killed the electrician? Can you give us a source for that? Cheers, Lawry -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christoph Reuss Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Futurework] London Assassins were Trained in Israel Arthur Cordell wrote: > Harry's question still stands. Harry added: "You needn't answer, for you are never faced with that situation." But since you asked, I'll answer anyway: > I know that it would be nice to avoid grievances and for us all to live in > peace and harmony. But at this juncture: What to do? Avoid adding further grievances, perhaps? Or even --heaven forbid!-- start compensating past grievances ? > If the police don't shoot they are blamed. If the police shoot they are > blamed. As professionals we know that __wrong training__ strongly increases the number & seriousness of mistakes. The squad that executed the Brazilian was trained by Israeli forces, which are well-known for being extremely trigger-happy and for erring FAR on the safe side (safe for them, that is). So it's not surprising that the trainees end up being the same. It was a recipe for disaster to have these forces trained by Israel, and this choice was also in bad taste, considering that the IDF is the successor organization of the big terror group that literally bombed the Brits out of Palestine in the 1940s. If you make the fox guard the henhouse, don't be surprised about dead hens. As a relative of the executed man in London put it: "We all feared the bombs, but now we fear the police just as much." > No one has "clean hands". Any review of history will show that each group, > each country, each religion, etc., has done some terrible things. I don't > think we can redress these things, but of course we can learn from history. > "Life can only be understood by looking backward, but must be lived going > forward." Would you accept Germans to say this in order to refuse further payments of billion$ to Israel each year, 60+ years after the fact ? Smells like double standards. "I'm alright, Jack..." And, transferring your statement to the individual level, what kind of justice system (rule of law) would hand out the _same_ punishment (or lack thereof) to an unrepentant mass murderer who continues to kill, and to a slightly corrupt small banker who has more than compensated his few fraud victims ? It seems that with such a notion of "justice", there is little hope for peace indeed. Worse: in practice, rewarding the worse guys leads to a rat-race to the bottom, because it gives the wrong message even to the good guys. The result is a lose-lose scenario, like now in London, with the only winners being the ugly guys of the "security" and armaments industry, the #1 export industry of ...hum di dum... Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SpamWall: Mail to this addy is deleted unread unless it contains the keyword "igve". _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] http://fes.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] http://fes.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] http://fes.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
