Rebuts itself. On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Christoph Reuss <[email protected]> wrote: > Tom Walker wrote: >> My not so subtle analogies were meant to express >> my contempt for Chris's mindless 'predator' mantra. > > Indeed, expressing contempt and personal insults, and distorting my > statements, seems to be all that you can do, instead of addressing the > issues I raised. > > >> To the extent that >> it is true (and there is a kernel of truth to even the most bizarre of >> fixations) it it trivial. To the extent that it is not trivial it is >> nonsense. > > It explains reality much better than Marx's red herring does. > That's what matters. > > >> As for not addressing Chris's "critique" of Marx. That was no >> critique; just name calling. > > After you objected to the word "predator", I re-stated it to > >>> Do you really believe that 21st-century Future of work can be determined >>> by a 1843 technical illiterate? > > You may claim that "technical illiterate" is name-calling, but it's a > statement of fact. My point was not to insult Marx (who is dead), but > to criticize that in the year 2010 on a list called FUTUREwork, you > believe that a __1843__ technical illiterate can provide solutions for the > future. That is beyond absurd, no matter how you insult me and throw fog. > > >> "Marx was a predator." You mean he was a >> reptilian alien? Or that he feasted on human flesh? > > You called my statements mindless and nonsense, but what's this? > > >> "Marx was a >> technological illiterate."? That's like saying Issac Newton was a >> physics illiterate because he didn't comprehend quantum mechanics or >> the theory of relativity. > > No. Marx was a technological illiterate already regarding 1843 technology, > and 1843 technology is totally outdated today -- as are Marx's theories > on societal change based on technologies. However, Isaac Newton was > absolutely cutting-edge in his era, and his findings still apply today! > The apple still falls down, but Marx's theories are more than obsolete. > > >> How does one address an ignorant and >> anachronistic assertion other than to point out that it is nonsense. > > The ignorant and anachronistic assertion was your 1843 Marx quote, > and now you wrote even more nonsense. > > >> And let's not defame Thorstein Veblen's good name by pretending this >> predator nonsense has anything to do with Veblen's analysis. > > Can you explain the difference between Veblen's "leisure class" and > Predators? Even if you can nit-pick one, it still has much to do with them. > > >> Chris's predator mantra is an ineffectual caricature. > > Your misrepresentation of my statements (such as "black & white dichotomy") > is an ineffectual caricature indeed. You need it to divert from the real > issues. > > >> I am >> reminded of bearded radicals in the sixties, who had read no further >> than the first page of the Communist Manifesto, peremptorily >> dismissing anything they disagreed with as "bourgeois ideology" and >> pretending their authority for that proclamation came directly from >> Marx. > > Not your first inappropriate comparison. > > If you like comparisons: Your belief in the 1843 prophet's words reminds me > of the bearded radicals of religions who still today believe that millennia- > old scriptures by prophets give all the answers for the 21st century. What > they accomplish in the Middle East happens to resemble what the Marxists > accomplished in the Eastern Bloc: mayhem, death and awful backwardedness. > The opposite of progress. Future of work, anyone? > > >> I apologize to the rest of the FW list for feeding the troll > > Who's the troll here? The guy who has to conceal his real name, writing > under a ridiculous nickname and carefully avoiding sensible arguments? > > >> and will henceforth cease and desist. > > That makes sense because you have no arguments, just insults and distortions. > > >> I would urge others to do the same. > > Are you jealous because people don't care about your "lump of labor" mantra > anymore? > > Chris > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > SpamWall: Mail to this addy is deleted unread unless it contains the keyword > "igve". > > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework >
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