Approving Zend_Layout and actually debating/developing Zend_Form (ive tried to
introduce several threads that get no where) are the two biggest things
impeding book development right now.
Solve these, then lets talk about the rest.
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: Shekar C Reddy
To: Rob Allen
Cc: Zend Framework General
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [fw-general] ZF Book
Rob/Padraic/Richard/Kevin et al,
Recap: "Writing books takes a considerable amount of time".
Yes, that's precisely what I was trying to implore on interested folks. The
ZF has several stabilized components as of v1.0 that would not be revamped
anytime soon - at least would not undergo a meta-morphosis. The framework
itself is not likely to undergo a drastic shake-up. I understand, there are
some important components such as Layout missing in 1.0. Stabilizing the API
was one of the chief goals of 1.0. Symfony planned their book along with the
launch of their 1.0. A framework without a tutorial-like book is like an
equipment without a user manual. Given the high-quality code, ZF deserves a
knockout book, indeed. If Symfony could do it, Zend could do it, too -
hopefully better; and maybe on similar lines of the Symfony book's copyrights
(electronic/online/printed/etc). Maybe not a great-paying project for the
authors but would definitely earn recognition in the trade circles and would be
great to have it on the resume - like a feather in the cap. I wonder if just
one writer can ever cover the entire framework in a book but could be well
worth collaborating with other writers. We can avoid producing too many books
by collaboration, communication and cooperation. Everyone has their own level
of expertise and exposure to the individual components of the framework and
more often, a limited set of components. Quite often, great programmers are not
necessarily great authors (and some don't have any writing skills at all) and
this is when they need hand-holding/collaboration which also saves a lot of
time and efforts. Now should be the ideal time to start writing books on ZF so
they get published before 1.5 - 2.0 - while also
incorporating/retro-fitting/covering the newer components by then. Offering an
online version should resolve the stale/dated content situation. I heard from a
Zend's employee last week some work in progress and looking for interested
authors. Its worthwhile getting more folks involved and let everyone know
what's cook'in in their backyards so there come fewer books than ridiculously
too many - as good as the ZF itself.
Sorry for the long message...
Regards,
Shekar
On 8/5/07, Rob Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Shekar,
Nick Lo and myself are currently in the process of writing a Zend
Framework specific book to be published by Manning. With any luck the
early preview stuff should be appearing soon.
Kevin is also writing a book for Apress which looks interesting too.
Regards,
Rob...
Shekar C Reddy wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> This has reference to:
>
> http://devzone.zend.com/article/1795-The-Definitive-Guide-to-symfony
>
http://devzone.zend.com/article/1795-The-Definitive-Guide-to-symfony---Sample-Chapter#comments-1820
> <
http://devzone.zend.com/article/1795-The-Definitive-Guide-to-symfony---Sample-Chapter#comments-1820>
>
> ZF has matured into 1.0 but no books or discussions about bringing one
> out yet other than some *tidbits *found on the internet (no offense
> intended; most of those tidbits are indeed great pieces of code!) and
> the /alphabetical /API reference guide. Joining pieces together and
> cross-referring to the reference guide is no easy task - most times it
> results in half-baked knowledge, not to mention - code with
> bottle-necks! What we need is a complete tutorial book that does a
> project and utilizes all the components in *concert *and shows how they
> *integrate *with each other. I interacted with Cal earlier on this
> matter (email chain pasted below) about collaborating with an
> experienced author - Cristain Darie.
>
> I understand writing books takes a considerable amount of time. Any
> takers with some time to spare on producing a book on ZF? Cristain would
> be glad to help/guide you with getting started...
>
