If you have a spare hard drive you may want to do a clean install on that first and see if you are still having problems. If you are It probably isn't the installation on your drive and has to be a piece of bad hardware. You may also want to run the drive manufacturers diagnostics on the drive that you are using now.
-----Original Message----- From: G-List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Gerber Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 13:15 To: G-List Subject: Re: Frequent unexpected quits There was a time (Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 2:34 PM) when Philip Stortz said this thing: >bad ram can cause drive corruption, or the data on the drive >may be badly corrupted. do you have any other disk utilities? >the one that comes with the os doesn't do everything >some others do, i believe. I've used Disk Warrior several times. I don't have other utilities than that. I've also Repaired Permissions, Repaired Disk, and tried fsck -f. All of these I've done several times and have never seen anything out of the ordinary. I've deleted the Finder prefs. I've disconnected all peripherals (Firewire CD burner, USB hub, ethernet) and plugged the keyboard and mouse into the back of the computer. I've removed the second monitor's ATI VR 128 card. >if cleaning the ram doesn't fix it, i'd >seriously consider the painful format and reinstall option, >sometimes that's the only way, though make sure to >back up your files first. Tried the "erase & install" of the RAM (used the pencil eraser and shined them up real good) but I'm still having the same symptoms. Only now, in addition to some applications frequently quitting, there are some that won't launch at all. Among those that don't: - System Preferences (icon bounces, then disappears) - Safari (freezes without opening window, have to Force Quit) The Date & Time in the menu bar don't load although other login items do launch. I suspect that's related to System Preferences launch problems. This is true no matter how I've logged in. The fact that System Preferences won't launch is causing me the most concern right now. Can this really be hardware related (bad RAM) or am I looking at something corrupted in the OS (fonts, preferences, etc)? At this point, I think an archive and install would be the least painful. I have the Jaguar (10.2) full install discs and the Panther (10.3) upgrade discs. So I can install Jaguar on my Startup disk and/or on another disk and then upgrade to Panther. A previous message suggested this (installing an older system over a newer) is a really bad idea but this seems to be all I'm left with. Should I toss out some Panther OS files prior to trying the Jaguar archive and install? I'm at a loss at this point and would welcome any other advice. Mark ---- Mark Gerber GERBER STUDIO/Tradigital Illustration <http://www.gerberstudio.com> ----------- Mac B&W G3 (Yosemite, v.2) w/OWC G4 500 512 GB RAM | 12 GB & 60 GB HD Two monitors (Radeon 7000 Mac Edition & ATI VR 128) ----- OS X (10.3.5) -- G-List is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... Small Dog Electronics http://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- We have Apple Refurbished Monitors in stock! | & CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> G-List list info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml> --> AOL users, remove "mailto:"; Send list messages to: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/g-list%40mail.maclaunch.com/> Using a Mac? Free email & more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- G-List is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... Small Dog Electronics http://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- We have Apple Refurbished Monitors in stock! | & CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> G-List list info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml> --> AOL users, remove "mailto:"; Send list messages to: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/g-list%40mail.maclaunch.com/> Using a Mac? Free email & more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
