On 9/21/05, Bruce Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sep 21, 2005, at 8:20 AM, Nat Hall wrote: > > > > > Yesterday I started experiencing some issues under 10.2.8 I'm 99.9% > > sure were permissions-related > > What were they? Permissions issues will ONLY arise after a system > upgrade or software install. Permissions don't 'degrade' over time, > they're changed, usually by mistake by various installers. > > That said, if you were having problems with something you haven't > used since the last time you installed a system update or some other > software that gets it's hooks into the System folders. > > If it's something that's happened after that it's more likely to be > preferences problems. Everyone should have a 'test user' enabled on > their system, so you can log out and log in as the test user to see > if the same problems persist as that user. If they don't, it HAS to > be a prefs issue with your main user. If the problem is persistent, > it's an issue with the application itself or something in the System.
I had just upgraded the CD-Writer to a DVD-R drive. The drive was working great but then I was fiddling around with installing and updating software and then the craziness began. And I do have two users-- my main account (administrator) and then my wife has a user as well. > > > so I rebooted with the OS 10.2 factory > > installation CD so I could "Repair Permissions" on the OS X drive. > > Rebooting from the CD seems to have done something to the computer's > > Boot loader, and now the computer will NO LONGER boot into OS X at > > all! I can only start up under OS 9.2.2. > > Well you learned the hard way that you should NEVER repair > permissions from the boot CD, but only from within the current > system, since the database the repair permissions process uses is > updated as the system is. The list of permissions for 10.2 is not the > same as that for 10.2.8. > > (It could also be entirely unrelated to the permissions repair thing) > This I was not aware of. But here's the catch-- it wouldn't *LET* me repair permissions from within the current system. I would open Disk Utility, the process would start, and then the computer would crash HARD at the exact same point every time. It would crash so hard that the power light on the front of the computer would actually turn off, though I could hear the fan still whirring away. The video would go completely black (as if the computer was going to sleep-- but I have sleep set to NEVER occur!!!) as well and all hard disk activity would cease. The only way out of this was to use the power switch on the front of the computer; the Restart key combo had no effect. The progress bar would only be about 15% of the way into the process when this would occur. I thought the ideal method to fix permissions was from the boot CD, so after trying it from within my System two times with the above results, I went the boot CD route. I suppose I was misinformed. > Repair Disk use Boot CD > Repair Permissions use Current System. > Good to know. Thanks. > You're not entirely screwed, fortunately. At worst you'll need to do > an archive&re-install of 10.2 and re-apply the 10.2.8 combo updater. > > I'd try, in order the following (you may have tried some already): > > Using Startup Disk in OS9, set the OS X disk explicitly as the startup. Tried it. Still boots straight to the OS 9 drive. > > If that doesn't work, zap the pram (start up holding down Command- > Option-P-R; hold it down until it bongs several times.) Then if it > boots into OS 9 set the startup disk as above. Tried it. Let it bong 4 times. Booted to OS 9. Tried to set Startup Disk to OS 10 disk. See result mentioned above. > > If THAT fails, remove the PRAM battery. Test it. If it's below > 3.4-3.5V, replace it. In either case, leave the battery out over > night, then press the CUDA switch, replace the battery, press the > CUDA switch again and reboot. If it starts up in 9 try Startup disk. I have not tried the CUDA switch. It seems to me if resetting the PRAM and NVRAM using the key combos doesn't do it, the CUDA switch isn't going to make it work any better. But I'll give it a shot tonight if other courses of action fail. > > If this fails, get out the 10.2 CD and do an Archive&Reinstall of > 10.2. Do a Disk repair (NOT permissions repair) first, just in case. Incidentally, I tried to do a Disk Repair when I had the system booted up from the OS 10.2 boot CD at the same time I did the Repair Permissions, but it wouldn't let me. It said: "Cannot repair disk. Disk is mounted; unable to unmount disk because it is in use." The disk was not in use by anything. I was booted from the 10.2 CD!!! Just curious, what does a "Archive & Reinstall" involve? What gets archived, and what does it get archived to? -Nat -- G-List is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... Small Dog Electronics http://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- We have Apple Refurbished Monitors in stock! | & CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> G-List list info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml> --> AOL users, remove "mailto:"; Send list messages to: <mailto:[email protected]> To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/g-list%40mail.maclaunch.com/> iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
