At 12:24 PM -0500 12/16/08, insightinmind posted: > On Dec 16, 2008, at 11:27 AM, Steve R wrote: > >> >> At 8:43 AM -0700 12/16/08, Bruce Johnson posted: >>> I've had no issues on either of my PPC systems with 10.5, but I'm >>> not >>> running the same hardware/software you are. >> >> Bruce reminded me of a problem I had upgrading my B&W. As it turned >> out, removing all the cards/externals/etc plus replacing the upgraded >> video card to the stock video card fixed the problem. I was able to >> restart the computer several times with the stock card, and then >> replace it with the upgraded card (plus resetting the PRAM). From >> that point onwards, it ran smoothly even as I added back the internal >> cards. >> >> Steve R > > > Thanks. > > You have 10.5 running on a B&W? > > When I did my QS's Nuke & Pave to 10.5.5, I removed all my PCI cards > (M-Audio 2496, Sonnet Tango USB/FW) except I needed to keep the > Rosewill 10/100/1000 NIC (on board ethernet fried last year), and > also kept the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Edition. > > Perhaps I should have replaced the video with the old, still > functional, nvidia Geforce 4MX?
Sorry for any confusion re B&W -- the install/upgrade problems occur with prior systems, but I learned to always go back to the basics after that week long frustration that included discovering I needed to use the ADB mouse and not the USB mouse. What I would try here, were I in your situation, is yet another nuke/pave of Leopard but (1) using the combo updater from Apple, (2) only going as far as 10.5.4, (3) removing the NIC card once you've downloaded the updater, and (4) going back to the older video card. Assuming your installer DVD is 10.5.0, and assuming you have Toast, I'd make a copy of the installer DVD and have Toast use Disk Recovery to check the original disk for any errors. You won't have to burn the disk because you can Save As Disc Image. Assuming the disc is okay, after removing all cards including the NIC and upgraded video card, I'd have the installer disc zero out the drive or partition you intend on using. One pass should be enough. Then I'd install that very basic system, no extra languages, no printer files, no X11. See if you can restart without the ongoing problems you've been experiencing. Open a few of the Apple apps, create and save a few files, log out a few times, customise some preferences, do a few more restarts. If you can do all this, leave it running for 30 minutes, come back and see if you can still open.close apps, create files, log out, restart. Then reinstall the NIC card and go online for a bit. If you are behind a router, bypass it and let Network Preferences log you in Automatically if that's at all possible. Log out/restart. Use Software Update to update only those *apps* you really need updated -- Quicktime, whatever. If you don't need all the features that are being updated, don't update. Reinstall the video card. Play around for a bit. Log out/restart. Add back the PCI cards. Play around. Log out/restart. Use the downloaded combo updater to take you only as far as 10.5.4. <http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/macosx_updates/macosx1054comboupdate.html> If your problem returns (assuming you've had no problem so far), remove all the PCI cards including the NIC and go back to the original video card. Now try the update to 10.5.4. If that is successful (you can play, log out/restart), go back and start adding the extra hardware back to the system. A standard troubleshooting technique used by telco is to half the problem, ie if you've kept note of what you added back and in what order, add back only half the list. If the problem persists, split that half in half until you can isolate which piece of hardware doesn't play nice. I'd also suggest keeping a written log of every piece of software you add and use. Time consuming, yes. Frustrating, oh yes. Walk away if need be ;-) Have a smoke on the deck, pet your dog (touch the case to ground the static), make love to your significant other. Do whatever you need to do to stay mellow. Your Mac can tell when you're upset :-) Steve R -- Reopen NAFTA. Reclaim our sovereignty. <http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewFeature8.cfm?REF=333> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
