Hi all,

I'm at one of the places Ross mentions (VLSCI), with Enis - among
other things we're deploying Galaxy CloudMan on the new "Australian
Research Cloud".

Just from talking to people I feel that local institutions that have
installed their own Galaxy, and are customising it, wrapping tools for
the researchers they support etc, do end up struggling with a lot of
the same problems. I think though that as Ross is suggesting in a lot
of cases these needs could be filled by the existing galaxy-user and
galaxy-dev mailing lists (I find sometimes people can be quite
hesitant to post a question until they have spent a lot of time on the
problem).

I do like the idea of a "local" Australia-New Zealand Galaxy group for
developers / techie bioinformaticians, but more for the sake of
face-to-face interaction and perhaps local-timezone teleconferences; I
don't want to end up just duplicating existing mailing lists. I'm not
sure of the best way to make such a group take off or how much
interest there would be. If there are other Australian / New Zealand
or local timezone groups reading this list and you're interested, let
us know!

Clare

On 30 April 2012 13:35, Ross <ross.laza...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To all interested in Dave's suggestion:
>
> IMHO, an Australian/New Zealand Galaxy user/deployer/developer group
> will be worth setting up and will be viable if it solves specific
> problems that aren't adequately addressed by existing networks and
> communication channels - otherwise it will be JAFUG (just another
> fleeting user group) and will likely fizzle due to lack of genuine
> utility to potential participants.
>
> EG: One challenge for us when it comes to (eg) the proposed
> teleconferences is the tyranny of time zones - being 14 hours ahead of
> EST eg in Melbourne/Sydney. The other big challenge is that travel to
> meetings in Europe or the USA is expensive and exhausting, so
> workshops and hands on training are harder to get to. In general, I
> think we're probably going to be able to find plenty of problems to do
> with geographic isolation and maybe even some specific Australian
> challenges - but let's be clear about exactly what those are before we
> start building any structures. One problem I keep seeing is that there
> are many organisations happy to invest in hardware infrastructure, but
> far less willing to invest in the training and staff development
> needed for success.
>
> Two things I'd like to suggest to help with planning:
>
> 1) to get a better idea of scope, it would be very handy to assemble a
> register of potential organisations and their primary contacts. I
> already know of some large Australian organisations investing heavily
> in Galaxy deployment - eg - VLSCI in Melbourne; UQ in Brisbane, CSIRO
> all over the place, the Victorian DPI, AGRF, and the BakerIDI where
> I'm based - no doubt there are plenty of others too?
>
> 2) to make sure the idea is viable, it would be useful to collect some
> specific deployment challenges that people are experiencing that some
> kind of local user's group could help overcome?
>
> One focus I have a personal interest in exploring would be in face to
> face educational activities: eg for local Galaxy instance system
> administrators? Local tool developers? Local biologist users in
> specific contexts like short read sequencing?
>
> Suggestions welcomed...
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Dave Clements
> <cleme...@galaxyproject.org> wrote:
>> Hi Ryan, Ann, and everyone else
>>
>> I second what Nate says (I always do :-).  I too like that it is user
>> driven.  And, while I am not a developer, I do plan on being on the call as
>> often as possible.
>>
>> I can also offer my support for logistical and any other support.  Ann,
>> please let me know if you want help with getting this going and getting the
>> word out.
>>
>>
>> On a related note, ....  With Matloob's email, we have at least 3
>> organizations in Australia and New Zealand that are interested. I know that
>> there are many more Galaxy installations in that part of the world (and you
>> have Enis and Ross in Australia now).  Would this be a good opportunity to
>> set up the first (to my knowledge) regional user group?  If anyone thinks
>> this is a good idea, please respond (and create a new thread).
>>
>>
>> Finally, Ann, thanks for starting this.
>>
>> Dave C
>>
>>
>>
>> I also  that both Ross and Enis are in Australia now
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Nate Coraor <n...@bx.psu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ryan,
>>>
>>> I like that it's user-directed, and we could be there to provide input,
>>> although if help is needed to organize the call we could probably assist
>>> with that.  I plan to be on the call as often as my schedule allows, and I
>>> believe some of the other developers on the team would also be interested.
>>>
>>> --nate
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Ryan Golhar wrote:
>>>
>>> > One question - Are the Galaxy developers involved in this or is this for
>>> > user's only?  It may be helpful to have developers on the call to provide
>>> > information that users do not necessarily have.
>
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Clare Sloggett
Research Fellow / Bioinformatician
Life Sciences Computation Centre
Victorian Life Sciences Computation Initiative
University of Melbourne, Parkville Campus
187 Grattan Street, Carlton, Melbourne
Victoria 3010, Australia
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