Ivan originally recorded that so called demo for me when he asked me to 
tell the blind gamers list here that his game was for real.
  I wasn't going to put my reputation on the line for him without solid 
proof that he was developing a game, but I was willing to help him out if I 
could, if he were sincerely developing a game.
  I too took it into sound forge and restored it to full speed.
  I haven't played super liam, but I figured he had just ripped off another 
game and recorded it as his own.
  When I asked him to send me his code section for the keyboard input, he 
went mysteriously silent until this afternoon.
  I received an email from him telling me his system had crashed completely 
and he had lost everything.
  The message he sent me was a response to a message I had sent him earlier 
yesterday, proving that he was lying once again about the crash.
 Like Thomas and Raul, I have been very patient with Ivan, trying to help 
him out and offer a little guidance in proper behavior, something he is 
obviously sorely lacking at home.
  No more.  I am removing Ivan from the rail racer list and refunding his 
money for the beta.  I want nothing more to do with him.
  This is sad, as he is really just a kid, but he is old enough to learn 
better, and simply refuses to do so.
  I hope he grows up someday, but I for one am done with him.
  Take care all.
  Che

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] blaytont Forgery regarding Ivan


> Hi, Raul and Liam.
> When I heard the so-called trailor I was also quite offended at how it
> was done. There is no doubt trying to steel someone elses work and make
> it his own was bad enough. What is worse is I for one have been quite
> open with folks and offer my advice, pointers, and have helped get
> agdev-newbies started so we can add new developers to our comunity.
> Instead Ivan chose not to learn to be a programmer, but attempted to
> steel others work, and clame it was all his own doing.
> Even more offensive was that Ivan had said he was going to give his game
> away for free at one time. If it would have really happened he not only
> would be modifying Liam's game but would be redistributing licensed
> copies of Super Liam for free which is about as bad as the Monkey
> Business business we had on blind-gamers quite some time ago.
> To be frank about it I don't understand why some people like Ivan have
> to act the way they do. As a moderator I \gave him so many breaks, coach
> talks, etc to change his ways, etc and instead Ivan became inflamitory,
> continued to lie to this comunity about his game, and apparently had no
> respect for the list guidelines.
> Well, I am getting down from my soapbox, and won't be discussing this
> topic again as far as I know.
>
>
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