unfortunately,  no amount of prayers is gona save this sucker.
he says that he is Brandon at the start of the trailer, then he doesn't no 
even how to play his own game, ahem sorry liams game total muppet if you ask 
me.
I vote for this mauron to be permantly be band from this list.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reinhard Stebner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 2:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] blatant Forgery regarding Ivan


> It saddens me greatly to hear what has happened.  I am currently praying 
> for
> him and I feel deeply for him.  I think the only way he will be able to be
> straightened out is if we all pray for him.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Thomas Ward
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 12:20 PM
> To: Gamers Discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] blaytont Forgery regarding Ivan
>
> Hi, Raul and Liam.
> When I heard the so-called trailor I was also quite offended at how it
> was done. There is no doubt trying to steel someone elses work and make
> it his own was bad enough. What is worse is I for one have been quite
> open with folks and offer my advice, pointers, and have helped get
> agdev-newbies started so we can add new developers to our comunity.
> Instead Ivan chose not to learn to be a programmer, but attempted to
> steel others work, and clame it was all his own doing.
> Even more offensive was that Ivan had said he was going to give his game
> away for free at one time. If it would have really happened he not only
> would be modifying Liam's game but would be redistributing licensed
> copies of Super Liam for free which is about as bad as the Monkey
> Business business we had on blind-gamers quite some time ago.
> To be frank about it I don't understand why some people like Ivan have
> to act the way they do. As a moderator I \gave him so many breaks, coach
> talks, etc to change his ways, etc and instead Ivan became inflamitory,
> continued to lie to this comunity about his game, and apparently had no
> respect for the list guidelines.
> Well, I am getting down from my soapbox, and won't be discussing this
> topic again as far as I know.
>
>
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