Hi jeh and all. Unfortunately I have to agree with Tyler here.
While this is a good idea in theory, it is never going to happen for a number of reasons, the main one being that these huge conglomerates that make these games and systems have loads and loads of money to hire high priced lawyers to pretty much get whatever court decision they want or lobby enough congressmen to get whatever bill they want killed. Like it or not congress is a creature of money and any one of us who does not have a couple of mill to spare and thinks we have equal representation in congress or very much representation at all had better think again. Also, as Thomas has pointed out correctly I think, it is not for the most part that these guys are these awful people who are out to screw us, they just have no idea that blind people even play games or even if we can convince them that they do they would not even know where to start to make the games playable. There are many different ideas of what we might call a playable game and I suspect that a game that somebody else might be able to play and call playable I would not be able to do at all for example. I am afraid that for the foreseeable future if we want to play mainstream games we are just going to have to do what several of us are doing on here already and that is just to figure out which ones are doable and learn them the best that we can and play them the best that we can, knowing that we are probably never going to play as well as our sighted friends. I may drop Sony an email about providing at least basic accessibility to the psp just for giggles just to see what kind of a response I get. I am expecting absolutely nothing substantive of course this would be more for fun and maybe just maybe to help educate somebody than anything else. If I do this and if I get any response besides an automatic email I will let you guys know. Regards, Tom -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jeh Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 5:43 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Psp project in the works. Hi, Maybe a bill should be forced through congress saying that all mainstream devs must make all their games playable by blind people and that goes for all their consoles as well. and if the developers do not comply then they should be shut down maybe or penalties should be braught against them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Psp project in the works. > And not to be rude, but mainstream devs, with but a few exeptions, > seem > dead > set against anything that would change their prooducts even for the > better. > "Accessibility for the blind? That won't work in our game. And anyway > blind > people can't play because they're blind!" We've heard it alll before I'm > sure. And unless someone somewhere comes up with some staggerring > statistics > that prove the value of making their products accessible, most of them > aren't likely to say "why yes, go ahead and make an accessible game for > our > console!" If mainstream accessibility is ever going to happen it's going > to > take numbers and lots of them, to get the point across. > Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:43 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Psp project in the works. > > >> Hi Josh, >> Well, writing a screen reader for a PSP is next to impossible for a >> developer who is not connected with Sony. Back when I started USA >> Games I looked at the idea of making accessible console games for >> XBox, Play Stations, etc and found out it is a very closed >> development platform. Everything you create for a PSP/Play Station >> has to be personally approved by Sony. There are no free development >> tools, SDKs, etc out there for it. it goes like this. >> >> A. You must sign a non-disclosure agreement with Sony not to release >> anytechnical details about the console with other parties. B. You >> must pay several thousand dollars for the development tools. I think >> it was something like 50 grand or something like that. C. Every >> product you create for the Play Station must be approved by Sony Inc >> in advance. D. Finished products must be submited to Sony for testing >> and more approval. >> E. After releasing said product a percentage of your sales goes to Sony >> as royalty fees. >> >> As you might have guessed from the above list an outside developer >> has about as much chanse of writing agame or screen reader for a PSP >> as a snowball in hell. >> >> jeh wrote: >>> Hi, >>> it would be cool if someone would make a basic screen reader for the >>> psp. >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your >> subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. 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