My only real question was Grevous... Ventris I kind of guessed would fit into that category. lol. But I guess with how well he knows his swordplay... he definitely qualify. And it could be argued though that he doesn't have the force, the combat programming he has is enough to match the force as you're right, he did give a lot of jedi a hard time. Though I personally think that comes down to one lightsaber against four. grins.

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