I know it, and I still appreciate you for it. What happened today was
rather unfortunate, but I do think a lot of the onus is on Tom's
initial statements and his reaction to others' responses.

On 7/20/11, Willem Venter <dwill...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ryan, I remember that time. If you recall I was one of those who
> backed you up too.
>
> In the end, Thomas admitted he was biest toward python and no insults
> and name calling was required, just reason and statement of fact.
>
> On 7/20/11, Ryan Strunk <ryan.str...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey Willem,
>> I've also had to defend my stance on Python with Tom, and while I
>> understand the need for diplomacy, I think there's also something to
>> be said for mis-information. My Python response became necessary
>> because Tom was telling aspiring programmers that Python was not a
>> viable language. So much of his opinion was being stated as fact, and
>> those interested in learning were taking it as such. It's hard not to
>> be offended when, amongst a small community of developers, one of
>> those self-same developers feels the need to criticize his peers. It's
>> not like this market has much competition, after all.
>> Tom stated in his first response to Che that he doesn't understand why
>> people always mischaracterize what he says. If several people seem to
>> take his words in the wrong light, perhaps he needs to reflect on that
>> before getting upset at others for not understanding him.
>>
>> On 7/20/11, Willem <dwill...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all.
>>> Firstly, a lot of this nonsense could have been avoided with a little
>>> common sense and a lot less self important attitudes. Yes, Thomas did
>>> not always express himself diplomaticly enough, but also some people
>>> needled him repeatedly until he snapped. Saying this, an opinion is just
>>> that, an opinion and thomas had no right forcing his on people.
>>>
>>> I think people like Che and to a lesser extend Jeremy were over
>>> sensitive about the whole vb issue. Unnecisary atacking of people won't
>>> change their mind and helps nothing in the end. Thomas's email was
>>> totally uncalled for too and was really childish, but he wasn't the only
>>> one.
>>>
>>> I hope we can all learn to ignore the people or opinions we don't like.
>>> If you can't convince someone with reason, nothing will change their
>>> mind. There is something like a block sender list, after all.
>>>
>>>
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