Hi Mike,
Yeah? Well if that's the case then that's where the discrimination comes in.
They don't like us because we don't act sighted? We don't pretend to have
something they have so they see us as abnormal circus clowns or something?
Well then that's even all the more reason to complain.
The more things like this I'm hearing, the more and more I wish sighted
people could be blind, even if it were for a week. I usually don't wish ill
on anyone, but I'd love some of these top dogs to try and use their gear
with no sight. Then maybe they'll think twice as to why we should be
complaining, rather than more or less telling us to to run up a lamp post
when we ask for something to be made accessible.
Regards,
Damien.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Maslo" <[email protected]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks
Don't agree
This is why the sighted community thinks what they do of us
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On Apr 22, 2012, at 9:47 AM, "Damien Pendleton"
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Mike,
There are some things we need to complain about. I'm the sort of person
who won't take things lying down. If I'm not happy with something then I
will say it. A lot of people can just grin and bear it, but to me it's
that sort of attitude that continues to prove to big arrogant snobbish
money grabbers that blind people don't care either way. For example,
there's a lot of products that don't have any accessibility features on
at all that I have also rang the manufacturers and complained about. It's
funny how I'm apparently, quite often, the only one who has mentioned it.
A lot of sighted people even admit they don't think of blind people
because they don't come across us on a day-to-day basis. Whether they
come across us or not, they still know blindness exists, therefore they
must know that blind people exist. So why not think of them in some way,
even if it's to talk to the company they work for about making some
changes that could help their blind customer base, so to speak? To me
that's awful. I think we should make a lot more of a stand to turn the
world around at least partially rather than taking the sighted person's
side all the time.
OK. So they've put screenreaders in the IPhone. Good start. But not
everyone can handle touch screens, and that's not just blind people.
Regards,
Damien.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Maslo" <[email protected]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks
I am so amazed when I read posts like this
We are blind and without us getting our sight back we will never be as
or on the same level
However feeling sorry for yourself or complaining helps how
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On Apr 22, 2012, at 7:54 AM, "dark" <[email protected]> wrote:
I will agree with damien's point about access.
it is true that even a pc with the best screen reader is not of the
same level of access, ie, effortlessness as a sighted user would
experience.
for example, I am right now checking my mails. I have to look at (ie
listen to supernova tell me), the title, subject, sender etc of each as
I arrow through them, deleting some, replying to others etc. A sighted
user could skim read all the mails on a page in a short space, and
delete spam or unnecessary mail very much more quickly using the mouse,
simply by virute of the screen overview.
So, access technology is not currently, even on the best system the
equal of what a sighted person does, and I expect the Iphone is in the
same catagory.
That being said, unfortunately there isn't a choice. As said with the
windows 7 debate, microsoft are going for inconvenient, flashy
interfaces with no way of changing their look or feel, simply because
they are motivated only by the acquisition of prophit and nothing else,
however, failing a massive change in world policy there's not much we
can do about this, other than try what workarounds are! available and
try to promote more access.
i'm in fact quite amazed any sort of screen reading exists for touch
screens at all, since I would've expected the same response as I myself
got when requesting more accessible menue updates for the Wii from
Nintendo, ---- there aren't enough visually impared people to make us
money developing it!
So, all we can do is live with the workarounds, try and promote access,
and get what good use we can out of what is there.
That's why I myself will be getting an Ipad or Iphone hopefully in the
near future.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
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