Hi Michael,
Well lucky you. Just because you can doesn't mean anybody should expect
everyone else to. Just because you seem to have a supercomputer for a brain
and a nack for learning things and having the patience to fight what seems
to others a losing battle, well all I can do is say well done.
Regards,
Damien.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Maslo" <[email protected]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks
They don't like those who need every aspect of their life done for them
Also the poor blind person is old and boring
I work and have moved through the ranks through hard work and never
believing that I can't do something
Stereotypes are so hard to break
For 100 who break that mold it takes one to re affirm it
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On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:38 AM, "Damien Pendleton"
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Mike,
Yeah? Well if that's the case then that's where the discrimination comes
in. They don't like us because we don't act sighted? We don't pretend to
have something they have so they see us as abnormal circus clowns or
something? Well then that's even all the more reason to complain.
The more things like this I'm hearing, the more and more I wish sighted
people could be blind, even if it were for a week. I usually don't wish
ill on anyone, but I'd love some of these top dogs to try and use their
gear with no sight. Then maybe they'll think twice as to why we should be
complaining, rather than more or less telling us to to run up a lamp post
when we ask for something to be made accessible.
Regards,
Damien.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Maslo" <[email protected]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks
Don't agree
This is why the sighted community thinks what they do of us
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On Apr 22, 2012, at 9:47 AM, "Damien Pendleton"
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Mike,
There are some things we need to complain about. I'm the sort of person
who won't take things lying down. If I'm not happy with something then
I will say it. A lot of people can just grin and bear it, but to me
it's that sort of attitude that continues to prove to big arrogant
snobbish money grabbers that blind people don't care either way. For
example, there's a lot of products that don't have any accessibility
features on at all that I have also rang the manufacturers and
complained about. It's funny how I'm apparently, quite often, the only
one who has mentioned it. A lot of sighted people even admit they don't
think of blind people because they don't come across us on a day-to-day
basis. Whether they come across us or not, they still know blindness
exists, therefore they must know that blind people exist. So why not
think of them in some way, even if it's to talk to the company they
work for about making some changes that could help their blind customer
base, so to speak? To me that's awful. I think we should make a lot
more of a stand to turn the world around at least partially rather than
taking the sighted person's side all the time.
OK. So they've put screenreaders in the IPhone. Good start. But not
everyone can handle touch screens, and that's not just blind people.
Regards,
Damien.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Maslo" <[email protected]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks
I am so amazed when I read posts like this
We are blind and without us getting our sight back we will never be as
or on the same level
However feeling sorry for yourself or complaining helps how
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On Apr 22, 2012, at 7:54 AM, "dark" <[email protected]> wrote:
I will agree with damien's point about access.
it is true that even a pc with the best screen reader is not of the
same level of access, ie, effortlessness as a sighted user would
experience.
for example, I am right now checking my mails. I have to look at (ie
listen to supernova tell me), the title, subject, sender etc of each
as I arrow through them, deleting some, replying to others etc. A
sighted user could skim read all the mails on a page in a short
space, and delete spam or unnecessary mail very much more quickly
using the mouse, simply by virute of the screen overview.
So, access technology is not currently, even on the best system the
equal of what a sighted person does, and I expect the Iphone is in
the same catagory.
That being said, unfortunately there isn't a choice. As said with the
windows 7 debate, microsoft are going for inconvenient, flashy
interfaces with no way of changing their look or feel, simply because
they are motivated only by the acquisition of prophit and nothing
else, however, failing a massive change in world policy there's not
much we can do about this, other than try what workarounds are!
available and try to promote more access.
i'm in fact quite amazed any sort of screen reading exists for touch
screens at all, since I would've expected the same response as I
myself got when requesting more accessible menue updates for the Wii
from Nintendo, ---- there aren't enough visually impared people to
make us money developing it!
So, all we can do is live with the workarounds, try and promote
access, and get what good use we can out of what is there.
That's why I myself will be getting an Ipad or Iphone hopefully in
the near future.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
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