They don't like those who need every aspect of their life done for them Also the poor blind person is old and boring
I work and have moved through the ranks through hard work and never believing that I can't do something Stereotypes are so hard to break For 100 who break that mold it takes one to re affirm it Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:38 AM, "Damien Pendleton" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Mike, > Yeah? Well if that's the case then that's where the discrimination comes in. > They don't like us because we don't act sighted? We don't pretend to have > something they have so they see us as abnormal circus clowns or something? > Well then that's even all the more reason to complain. > The more things like this I'm hearing, the more and more I wish sighted > people could be blind, even if it were for a week. I usually don't wish ill > on anyone, but I'd love some of these top dogs to try and use their gear with > no sight. Then maybe they'll think twice as to why we should be complaining, > rather than more or less telling us to to run up a lamp post when we ask for > something to be made accessible. > Regards, > Damien. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Maslo" <[email protected]> > To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]> > Cc: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 5:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks > > >> Don't agree >> >> This is why the sighted community thinks what they do of us >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 22, 2012, at 9:47 AM, "Damien Pendleton" >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Mike, >>> There are some things we need to complain about. I'm the sort of person who >>> won't take things lying down. If I'm not happy with something then I will >>> say it. A lot of people can just grin and bear it, but to me it's that sort >>> of attitude that continues to prove to big arrogant snobbish money grabbers >>> that blind people don't care either way. For example, there's a lot of >>> products that don't have any accessibility features on at all that I have >>> also rang the manufacturers and complained about. It's funny how I'm >>> apparently, quite often, the only one who has mentioned it. A lot of >>> sighted people even admit they don't think of blind people because they >>> don't come across us on a day-to-day basis. Whether they come across us or >>> not, they still know blindness exists, therefore they must know that blind >>> people exist. So why not think of them in some way, even if it's to talk to >>> the company they work for about making some changes that could help their >>> blind customer base, so to speak? To me that's awful. I think we should >>> make a lot more of a stand to turn the world around at least partially >>> rather than taking the sighted person's side all the time. >>> OK. So they've put screenreaders in the IPhone. Good start. But not >>> everyone can handle touch screens, and that's not just blind people. >>> Regards, >>> Damien. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Maslo" <[email protected]> >>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:30 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] LWorks >>> >>> >>>> I am so amazed when I read posts like this >>>> >>>> We are blind and without us getting our sight back we will never be as or >>>> on the same level >>>> >>>> However feeling sorry for yourself or complaining helps how >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 7:54 AM, "dark" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I will agree with damien's point about access. >>>>> >>>>> it is true that even a pc with the best screen reader is not of the same >>>>> level of access, ie, effortlessness as a sighted user would experience. >>>>> >>>>> for example, I am right now checking my mails. I have to look at (ie >>>>> listen to supernova tell me), the title, subject, sender etc of each as I >>>>> arrow through them, deleting some, replying to others etc. A sighted user >>>>> could skim read all the mails on a page in a short space, and delete spam >>>>> or unnecessary mail very much more quickly using the mouse, simply by >>>>> virute of the screen overview. >>>>> >>>>> So, access technology is not currently, even on the best system the equal >>>>> of what a sighted person does, and I expect the Iphone is in the same >>>>> catagory. >>>>> >>>>> That being said, unfortunately there isn't a choice. As said with the >>>>> windows 7 debate, microsoft are going for inconvenient, flashy interfaces >>>>> with no way of changing their look or feel, simply because they are >>>>> motivated only by the acquisition of prophit and nothing else, however, >>>>> failing a massive change in world policy there's not much we can do about >>>>> this, other than try what workarounds are! available and try to promote >>>>> more access. >>>>> >>>>> i'm in fact quite amazed any sort of screen reading exists for touch >>>>> screens at all, since I would've expected the same response as I myself >>>>> got when requesting more accessible menue updates for the Wii from >>>>> Nintendo, ---- there aren't enough visually impared people to make us >>>>> money developing it! >>>>> >>>>> So, all we can do is live with the workarounds, try and promote access, >>>>> and get what good use we can out of what is there. >>>>> >>>>> That's why I myself will be getting an Ipad or Iphone hopefully in the >>>>> near future. >>>>> >>>>> Beware the Grue! >>>>> >>>>> Dark. >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >>>>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>>>> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>>>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >>>>> list, >>>>> please send E-mail to [email protected]. >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >>>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>>> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. >>>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >>>> please send E-mail to [email protected]. >>> >>> >>> --- >>> Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >>> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>> [email protected]. >>> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. >>> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >>> please send E-mail to [email protected]. >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> [email protected]. >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >> please send E-mail to [email protected]. > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [email protected]. > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, > please send E-mail to [email protected]. --- Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [email protected]. 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