I think I am most disappointed in both of our lines being dominated and physically overwhelmed. I also didn't care for the plan to feature Demps and Rainey as primary backs because of their size and lack of durability. Demps got his ankle folded under him in the bama game much the same way as Brantley and Driskel. Demps got injured while returning a kickoff which is another thing I dislike i.e. using your starting running backs to return punt and kickoffs. The jury is definitely out on the coaching staff, Muschamps going to have to get this team refocused quickly or everything could go quickly south.
Charlie

On 10/10/2011 1:09 PM, Woody wrote:
I understand.. and I think its safe to say alot of us feel the same way. I dont want to put all the blame on Meyer.. but when he took his little leave of absence... that killed us in alot of ways. Regardless of what the rankings say... we havent done all that well in recruiting enough bodies to fill needs and build depth. I mean... look at Clemson.. SOMEHOW.. they always manage to steal running backs out of Florida... how they are able to accomplish that is still mindblowing to me.
Woody

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Kirkley.net <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Don't get me wrong, at the beginning of the year, I looked at
    these two games as likely losses. I'm not upset that we lost, but
    rather the fact we weren't competitive.

    And as for recruiting, i know stars mean squat.  My point is, we
    were recruiting the  same guys as everyone else.  Did we just
    happen to whiff on all the really good 4 and 5 star players?  And
    in return we got a bunch of over-rated slugs?  I don't follow
    recruiting all that close, but I do know that UF commits tend to
    be dropped in recruiting rankings, so you would think we would
    have more 'diamonds in the rough' than other teams.  I also know
    that we have had a larger than normal attrition (will provide
    analysis later), and that has left us short on upperclassmen for
    leadership and short on scholarship players for depth (we have
    fewer scholarship players than USCw who is on probation).

    I don't mind the losses, and I understand the injuries, all part
    of the game.  It is just very disappointing to me that we are 3
    years removed from a national title and we have to rebuild.



    Ken K
    MNGator


    On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:16 AM, Woody <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    After two blowout losses, what is your perception of the program
    now?
    >>  Exactly about where I thought it would be.  I asked a
    co-worker (and Gator) what he thought the score would be on
    Friday.. and I think he said something like 14 pts... and my
    response to him was "you think they'll score a TD?".    This is a
    young team... we have no depth/experience.  None of this is much
    of a surprise to me really.
    My thoughts are a combination, but I put most of the blame on the
    coaches.  UF has had top ten ranked recruiting classes the past
    five years, and the players we got were also considering the
    other good programs.
    >>  Your (as do most other college football fans) putting way too
    much weight on the recruiting rankings/stars... even Urban has
    said they havent proven anything yet after his #1 recruiting
classes. Fine... your supposed to be good.. maybe the best. Prove it.
    Its going to take time... I prepared myself for this very very
    early in the season.  It makes my heart hurt everytime they lose
    especially so the way they last these last two games.  Chris Leak
    had SOME playing time and arguably had a better/deeper O-line
    going in to face LSU than what Brissett had. I didnt see but the
    last 45 seconds of the game... but you cant blame/point fingers
    at him.  No one expects the #1 and #2 QB to be knocked out of the
    same game.  Thats an abberation.
    As for the defense... so far.. we are still ranked 4th in Defense
    in the SEC (they said on the radio today)...
    It all kinds of weather my friends... we're gonna have to be
    patient... and stand behind them regardless.
    Woody


    On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Kirkley.net
    <http://kirkley.net/> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
    wrote:

        After two blowout losses, what is your perception of the
        program now?  Is this simply growing pains or is the coaching
        not getting the job done?  Can it really be that we are that
        far behind LSU and Bama in skill and player potential?

        My thoughts are a combination, but I put most of the blame on
        the coaches.  UF has had top ten ranked recruiting classes
        the past five years, and the players we got were also
        considering the other good programs.  Or were the recruiting
        rankings really a mirage?  While the 2010 class was good and
        many of those players are starting or significantly
        contributing as sophomores, the 2007-2009 classes look
        somewhat suspect in hindsight.

        I understand that the players were recruited for the spread,
        but really, we wouldn't have been close to these two teams
        running the spread either.  Isn't it the coaches job to
        modify the system to fit the personnel?  Great we want to run
        the pro set I, but can't, so maybe we need to run a hybrid
        pro set spread.  And don't get me started on strength, we
        don't even begin to match up.

        My biggest concerns coming out of these two games regarding
        coaching are:
        - bad play calling.  Yes I know Weis is a genius, but I think
        he outsmarts himself sometimes.  Last night, reverting to the
        spread, run Burton twice and then put the true freshman in to
        throw on 3rd and 13!  Was he channeling the dazzler?
         Overall, I believe he is coaching like he is in the NFL.
         Coach for field position, play conservatively and and wait
        for the other team to make mistakes.  Works in the no fun
        league due to parity, but not in college where there are too
        many mismatches week to week.  You have to be aggressive and
        keep the other team on it's heels.

        - lack of fundamentals, particularly on defense.  Coach Dawg
        is defensive genius, but we can't seem to get lined up right,
        have too many penalties and for goodness sake can't tackle.
         Big hits are fun, but if the guy with the balk doesn't go
        down, they are useless.

        - composure.  From CD and his rants to the seemingly
        emotionless play on the field, we can't seem to find a good
        mix.  CD needs to tone down a bit (although two beat downs
        made him nit so demonstrative yesterday), the players need to
        amp it up a notch or two.  Once again, I think part of this
        is the NFL influence.  Our mantra of nameless faceless
        opponents and go out there with a professional, business like
        attitude. The college game is emotion based and thrives on
        rivalries, manage to that, don't shy away from it!

        I understand we have a lot of young players, but I also see
        older players who make plays hut don't get many opportunities
        like Gillisle.  If we don't start playing and coaching
        better, this will be a very long season.  I felt coming in
        8-4 was the baseline, and we can still reasonably do hat or
        better, but the way we are losing hurts.  Not being
        competitive sucks, I can handle a 14 point loss, being down
        14 in the first 8 minutes doesn't make for a fun day.

        Ken K
        MNGator

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