How much has the spread offense killed us in recruiting O-Lineman, WR's, and RB's?
Sent From Shane's iPhone Go Gators! & Skol Vikes! On Oct 10, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Woody <[email protected]> wrote: > I understand.. and I think its safe to say alot of us feel the same way. I > dont want to put all the blame on Meyer.. but when he took his little leave > of absence... that killed us in alot of ways. Regardless of what the > rankings say... we havent done all that well in recruiting enough bodies to > fill needs and build depth. I mean... look at Clemson.. SOMEHOW.. they > always manage to steal running backs out of Florida... how they are able to > accomplish that is still mindblowing to me. > > Woody > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Kirkley.net <[email protected]> wrote: > Don't get me wrong, at the beginning of the year, I looked at these two games > as likely losses. I'm not upset that we lost, but rather the fact we weren't > competitive. > > And as for recruiting, i know stars mean squat. My point is, we were > recruiting the same guys as everyone else. Did we just happen to whiff on > all the really good 4 and 5 star players? And in return we got a bunch of > over-rated slugs? I don't follow recruiting all that close, but I do know > that UF commits tend to be dropped in recruiting rankings, so you would think > we would have more 'diamonds in the rough' than other teams. I also know > that we have had a larger than normal attrition (will provide analysis > later), and that has left us short on upperclassmen for leadership and short > on scholarship players for depth (we have fewer scholarship players than USCw > who is on probation). > > I don't mind the losses, and I understand the injuries, all part of the game. > It is just very disappointing to me that we are 3 years removed from a > national title and we have to rebuild. > > > > Ken K > MNGator > > > On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:16 AM, Woody <[email protected]> wrote: > >> After two blowout losses, what is your perception of the program now? >> >> >> Exactly about where I thought it would be. I asked a co-worker (and >> >> Gator) what he thought the score would be on Friday.. and I think he said >> >> something like 14 pts... and my response to him was "you think they'll >> >> score a TD?". This is a young team... we have no depth/experience. >> >> None of this is much of a surprise to me really. >> >> My thoughts are a combination, but I put most of the blame on the coaches. >> UF has had top ten ranked recruiting classes the past five years, and the >> players we got were also considering the other good programs. >> >> >> Your (as do most other college football fans) putting way too much >> >> weight on the recruiting rankings/stars... even Urban has said they >> >> havent proven anything yet after his #1 recruiting classes. Fine... your >> >> supposed to be good.. maybe the best. Prove it. >> >> Its going to take time... I prepared myself for this very very early in the >> season. It makes my heart hurt everytime they lose especially so the way >> they last these last two games. Chris Leak had SOME playing time and >> arguably had a better/deeper O-line going in to face LSU than what Brissett >> had. I didnt see but the last 45 seconds of the game... but you cant >> blame/point fingers at him. No one expects the #1 and #2 QB to be knocked >> out of the same game. Thats an abberation. >> >> As for the defense... so far.. we are still ranked 4th in Defense in the SEC >> (they said on the radio today)... >> >> It all kinds of weather my friends... we're gonna have to be patient... and >> stand behind them regardless. >> >> Woody >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Kirkley.net <[email protected]> wrote: >> After two blowout losses, what is your perception of the program now? Is >> this simply growing pains or is the coaching not getting the job done? Can >> it really be that we are that far behind LSU and Bama in skill and player >> potential? >> >> My thoughts are a combination, but I put most of the blame on the coaches. >> UF has had top ten ranked recruiting classes the past five years, and the >> players we got were also considering the other good programs. Or were the >> recruiting rankings really a mirage? While the 2010 class was good and many >> of those players are starting or significantly contributing as sophomores, >> the 2007-2009 classes look somewhat suspect in hindsight. >> >> I understand that the players were recruited for the spread, but really, we >> wouldn't have been close to these two teams running the spread either. >> Isn't it the coaches job to modify the system to fit the personnel? Great >> we want to run the pro set I, but can't, so maybe we need to run a hybrid >> pro set spread. And don't get me started on strength, we don't even begin >> to match up. >> >> My biggest concerns coming out of these two games regarding coaching are: >> - bad play calling. Yes I know Weis is a genius, but I think he outsmarts >> himself sometimes. Last night, reverting to the spread, run Burton twice >> and then put the true freshman in to throw on 3rd and 13! Was he channeling >> the dazzler? Overall, I believe he is coaching like he is in the NFL. >> Coach for field position, play conservatively and and wait for the other >> team to make mistakes. Works in the no fun league due to parity, but not in >> college where there are too many mismatches week to week. You have to be >> aggressive and keep the other team on it's heels. >> >> - lack of fundamentals, particularly on defense. Coach Dawg is defensive >> genius, but we can't seem to get lined up right, have too many penalties and >> for goodness sake can't tackle. Big hits are fun, but if the guy with the >> balk doesn't go down, they are useless. >> >> - composure. From CD and his rants to the seemingly emotionless play on the >> field, we can't seem to find a good mix. CD needs to tone down a bit >> (although two beat downs made him nit so demonstrative yesterday), the >> players need to amp it up a notch or two. Once again, I think part of this >> is the NFL influence. Our mantra of nameless faceless opponents and go out >> there with a professional, business like attitude. The college game is >> emotion based and thrives on rivalries, manage to that, don't shy away from >> it! >> >> I understand we have a lot of young players, but I also see older players >> who make plays hut don't get many opportunities like Gillisle. If we don't >> start playing and coaching better, this will be a very long season. I felt >> coming in 8-4 was the baseline, and we can still reasonably do hat or >> better, but the way we are losing hurts. Not being competitive sucks, I can >> handle a 14 point loss, being down 14 in the first 8 minutes doesn't make >> for a fun day. >> >> Ken K >> MNGator >> >> -- >> GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >> 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >> 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >> 2008 National Football Champions | >> Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >> Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us >> >> -- >> GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >> 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >> 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >> 2008 National Football Champions | >> Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >> Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us > > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > 2008 National Football Champions | > Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), > Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us > > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > 2008 National Football Champions | > Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), > Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
