I think the biggest problem is lack of depth and lack of experience... of like 70+ players... 60+ are Freshmen and Sophmores... thats.. alot. Its not that Bama and LSU are necessarily better... they just have more experience and more bodies to put in. Thats gonna take Must-Chomp a few years to build.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Kirkley.net <[email protected]> wrote: > And Marcus Gilbert and a couple others I can't think of right now. As > for WRs, we have David Nelson starting for the Bills, Riley Cooper with > Oakland, Hernandez (a TE) at New England, etc. > > We had the athletes that would work in any system. OL in the pros pull all > the time, that isn't the issue. The question is are the guys left just not > that good, or are the coaches not putting them in a favorable situation? > > If you look at the Florida players in the NFL over the last 4 years, you > will find playing in the spread translates very well. Of course, this > brings up the question about the D... > > Ken K > MNGator > > > On Oct 10, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Woody <[email protected]> wrote: > > I would think the same would be true for WR's. Who would want to block > in a spread offense, when you can learn how to run passing routes and > prepare yourself for the NFL in a more traditional offense? > > >> Agree... except I will say this.... then the Pounceys must have been > very very special one of a kind type players. Just sayin. > > > > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Shane Ford <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I believe Danielson made that remark. >> >> I've always heard playing on an offensive line in a spread attack is MUCH >> different with all the pulling and different blocking schemes one must do vs >> playing in a NFL scheme. I would think there were NFL quality O-Linemen we >> would have missed out on getting, as they would have skipped us for schools >> running a more traditional offense. >> >> I would think the same would be true for WR's. Who would want to block in >> a spread offense, when you can learn how to run passing routes and prepare >> yourself for the NFL in a more traditional offense? >> >> I don't know the answers to these, but it seems every one is questioning >> the talent Meyer left UF with. I was floored after reading Bianchi's latest >> column. I'm a fan, not a "football" guy. >> >> All I can say is: In ALL kinds of weather..... >> >> Go Gators! >> >> >> Sent From Shane's iPhone >> Go Gators! & Skol Vikes! >> >> On Oct 10, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Woody <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Running backs... definitely. >> >> O-lineman... cant really say its 'hurt us".. because.. and I forget which >> announcer said it... the kind that we were recruiting before just dont fit >> the power running game style that Muschamp is trying to build... they simply >> are not big enough. its gonna take time.. Marotti has got alot of work cut >> out for him because he's gotta change bodies to fit what they want to do on >> offense now. Trey burton gained what... 30 lbs in the offseason to >> prepare? And he still may not be big enough. >> >> Woody >> >> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Shane Ford < <[email protected]> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> How much has the spread offense killed us in recruiting O-Lineman, >>> WR's, and RB's? >>> >>> >>> Sent From Shane's iPhone >>> Go Gators! & Skol Vikes! >>> >>> On Oct 10, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Woody < <[email protected]> >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I understand.. and I think its safe to say alot of us feel the same >>> way. I dont want to put all the blame on Meyer.. but when he took his >>> little leave of absence... that killed us in alot of ways. Regardless of >>> what the rankings say... we havent done all that well in recruiting enough >>> bodies to fill needs and build depth. I mean... look at Clemson.. SOMEHOW.. >>> they always manage to steal running backs out of Florida... how they are >>> able to accomplish that is still mindblowing to me. >>> >>> Woody >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:01 PM, >>> <http://kirkley.net/>Kirkley.net<http://kirkley.net/><http://kirkley.net/> >>> < <[email protected]> <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Don't get me wrong, at the beginning of the year, I looked at these >>>> two games as likely losses. I'm not upset that we lost, but rather the fact >>>> we weren't competitive. >>>> >>>> And as for recruiting, i know stars mean squat. My point is, we were >>>> recruiting the same guys as everyone else. Did we just happen to whiff on >>>> all the really good 4 and 5 star players? And in return we got a bunch of >>>> over-rated slugs? I don't follow recruiting all that close, but I do know >>>> that UF commits tend to be dropped in recruiting rankings, so you would >>>> think we would have more 'diamonds in the rough' than other teams. I also >>>> know that we have had a larger than normal attrition (will provide analysis >>>> later), and that has left us short on upperclassmen for leadership and >>>> short >>>> on scholarship players for depth (we have fewer scholarship players than >>>> USCw who is on probation). >>>> >>>> I don't mind the losses, and I understand the injuries, all part of the >>>> game. It is just very disappointing to me that we are 3 years removed from >>>> a national title and we have to rebuild. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ken K >>>> MNGator >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:16 AM, Woody < >>>> <[email protected]><[email protected]> >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> After two blowout losses, what is your perception of the program now? >>>> >>>> >>>> >> Exactly about where I thought it would be. I asked a co-worker (and >>>> Gator) what he thought the score would be on Friday.. and I think he said >>>> something like 14 pts... and my response to him was "you think they'll >>>> score >>>> a TD?". This is a young team... we have no depth/experience. None of >>>> this is much of a surprise to me really. >>>> >>>> My thoughts are a combination, but I put most of the blame on the >>>> coaches. UF has had top ten ranked recruiting classes the past five years, >>>> and the players we got were also considering the other good programs. >>>> >>>> >> Your (as do most other college football fans) putting way too much >>>> weight on the recruiting rankings/stars... even Urban has said they havent >>>> proven anything yet after his #1 recruiting classes. Fine... your supposed >>>> to be good.. maybe the best. Prove it. >>>> >>>> Its going to take time... I prepared myself for this very very early in >>>> the season. It makes my heart hurt everytime they lose especially so the >>>> way they last these last two games. Chris Leak had SOME playing time and >>>> arguably had a better/deeper O-line going in to face LSU than what Brissett >>>> had. I didnt see but the last 45 seconds of the game... but you cant >>>> blame/point fingers at him. No one expects the #1 and #2 QB to be knocked >>>> out of the same game. Thats an abberation. >>>> >>>> As for the defense... so far.. we are still ranked 4th in Defense in the >>>> SEC (they said on the radio today)... >>>> >>>> It all kinds of weather my friends... we're gonna have to be >>>> patient... and stand behind them regardless. >>>> >>>> Woody >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:18 PM, <http://kirkley.net/><http://kirkley.net/> >>>> Kirkley.net <http://kirkley.net/> <http://kirkley.net/> >>>> <<[email protected]><[email protected]><[email protected]> >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> After two blowout losses, what is your perception of the program now? >>>>> Is this simply growing pains or is the coaching not getting the job done? >>>>> Can it really be that we are that far behind LSU and Bama in skill and >>>>> player potential? >>>>> >>>>> My thoughts are a combination, but I put most of the blame on the >>>>> coaches. UF has had top ten ranked recruiting classes the past five >>>>> years, >>>>> and the players we got were also considering the other good programs. Or >>>>> were the recruiting rankings really a mirage? While the 2010 class was >>>>> good >>>>> and many of those players are starting or significantly contributing as >>>>> sophomores, the 2007-2009 classes look somewhat suspect in hindsight. >>>>> >>>>> I understand that the players were recruited for the spread, but >>>>> really, we wouldn't have been close to these two teams running the spread >>>>> either. Isn't it the coaches job to modify the system to fit the >>>>> personnel? >>>>> Great we want to run the pro set I, but can't, so maybe we need to run a >>>>> hybrid pro set spread. And don't get me started on strength, we don't >>>>> even >>>>> begin to match up. >>>>> >>>>> My biggest concerns coming out of these two games regarding coaching >>>>> are: >>>>> - bad play calling. Yes I know Weis is a genius, but I think he >>>>> outsmarts himself sometimes. Last night, reverting to the spread, run >>>>> Burton twice and then put the true freshman in to throw on 3rd and 13! >>>>> Was >>>>> he channeling the dazzler? Overall, I believe he is coaching like he is >>>>> in >>>>> the NFL. Coach for field position, play conservatively and and wait for >>>>> the >>>>> other team to make mistakes. Works in the no fun league due to parity, >>>>> but >>>>> not in college where there are too many mismatches week to week. You have >>>>> to be aggressive and keep the other team on it's heels. >>>>> >>>>> - lack of fundamentals, particularly on defense. Coach Dawg is >>>>> defensive genius, but we can't seem to get lined up right, have too many >>>>> penalties and for goodness sake can't tackle. Big hits are fun, but if >>>>> the >>>>> guy with the balk doesn't go down, they are useless. >>>>> >>>>> - composure. From CD and his rants to the seemingly emotionless play >>>>> on the field, we can't seem to find a good mix. CD needs to tone down a >>>>> bit >>>>> (although two beat downs made him nit so demonstrative yesterday), the >>>>> players need to amp it up a notch or two. Once again, I think part of >>>>> this >>>>> is the NFL influence. Our mantra of nameless faceless opponents and go >>>>> out >>>>> there with a professional, business like attitude. The college game is >>>>> emotion based and thrives on rivalries, manage to that, don't shy away >>>>> from >>>>> it! >>>>> >>>>> I understand we have a lot of young players, but I also see older >>>>> players who make plays hut don't get many opportunities like Gillisle. If >>>>> we don't start playing and coaching better, this will be a very long >>>>> season. >>>>> I felt coming in 8-4 was the baseline, and we can still reasonably do hat >>>>> or better, but the way we are losing hurts. Not being competitive sucks, >>>>> I >>>>> can handle a 14 point loss, being down 14 in the first 8 minutes doesn't >>>>> make for a fun day. >>>>> >>>>> Ken K >>>>> MNGator >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >>>>> 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball >>>>> Champions >>>>> 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball >>>>> Champions >>>>> 2008 National Football Champions | >>>>> Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel >>>>> (1996), >>>>> Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at >>>>> <http://www.gatornet.us/><http://www.gatornet.us/><http://www.gatornet.us/> >>>>> www.gatornet.us >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >>>> 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >>>> 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >>>> 2008 National Football Champions | >>>> Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel >>>> (1996), >>>> Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at >>>> <http://www.gatornet.us/><http://www.gatornet.us/><http://www.gatornet.us/> >>>> www.gatornet.us >>>> >>>> -- >>>> GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >>>> 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >>>> 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >>>> 2008 National Football Champions | >>>> Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel >>>> (1996), >>>> Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at >>>> <http://www.gatornet.us/><http://www.gatornet.us/> >>>> www.gatornet.us >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >>> 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >>> 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >>> 2008 National Football Champions | >>> Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel >>> (1996), >>> Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at >>> <http://www.gatornet.us/><http://www.gatornet.us/> >>> www.gatornet.us >>> >>> -- >>> GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >>> 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >>> 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >>> 2008 National Football Champions | >>> Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel >>> (1996), >>> Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at <http://www.gatornet.us/> >>> www.gatornet.us >> >> >> -- >> GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >> 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >> 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >> 2008 National Football Champions | >> Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel >> (1996), >> Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at <http://www.gatornet.us/> >> www.gatornet.us >> >> -- >> GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >> 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >> 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >> 2008 National Football Champions | >> Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel >> (1996), >> Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us >> > > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > 2008 National Football Champions | > Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), > Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us > > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > 2008 National Football Champions | > Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), > Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us > -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
