Jay,
you haven't been a member for several years. It's too bad you missed
all the publications.
We have put out some beautiful editions that we are quite proud of
Joining, or volunteering to help would would be more productive than
trashing something people have worked very hard on, without any
compensation, rather paying out our own pockets to keep things going.
We have two lifetime members on our board. We put our money into GGA
gladly.
Lyle
Lyle Puente
President
Global Gecko Association
http://www.gekkota.org
http://www.MyBrothersBanned.com
http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned
On Jun 9, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Jay Sommers wrote:
Lyle,
There is most definitely a self serving interest to all on the
board of the so-called "Global Gecko Association". No meetings,no
journals,and furthermore no real reason for continuing to exist. What
is being done of any real merit with the money received from GGA
members? Speaking of merit...I am judging the GGA on its own.There is
absolutely no substance what-so-ever to this "society". After the
flop of the IGS I thought everyone would have learned something.
Apparently not. As president I hold you personally responsible for
the inexcusable lack of leadership. If I didn't think the GGA was
beyond repair I would directly challenge you for your position as
President. The problem is it is too far gone. There is no real reason
for the GGA to exist anymore. The ethical thing to do would be to let
nature take it's course and let it die. Jesus Christ,let it go out
with some damn dignity.
Jay "GG" Sommers
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [gecko]...Euthanasia for Distressed Geckos...
To: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:16:20 -0400
GGA has and will exist for all who have an interest. It was never
intended or will be intended for an exclusive group of self interests.
The GGA journal and newsletter is produced with all interests of the
membership addressed and will continue to do so.
This list is open to all, including non GGA members free of charge
and to help when we can.
Everyone is free to post, questions, help suggestions and also
criticism freely.
I read the below post of our purpose and it seems like we do just that:
"Membership is open to anyone with an interest in gekkonids, from the
professional herpetologist to the hobbyist."
The threads are labeled here and one can always deleted those they
have no interest in or unsubscribe.
All are welcome
( i just put on some John Denver hahaha ...... )
Lyle
Lyle Puente
President
Global Gecko Association
http://www.gekkota.org
http://www.MyBrothersBanned.com
http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned
On Jun 9, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Jay Sommers wrote:
Actually I should clarify my last post. When I said flush it I
meant the GGA. This thing has been reduced to a pathetic joke.The
problem is that the joke has no humor. My email has been blowing up
over the last week and not one post was worthy of landing in my
inbox. This is what the GGA was supposed to be...
"The Global Gecko Association (GGA) is dedicated to gecko
enthusiasts worldwide. Membership is open to anyone with an interest
in gekkonids, from the professional herpetologist to the hobbyist.
The GGA is an organization committed to promote interest in
gekkonids in a variety of ways, from responsible captive care, to
study in the wild, conservation, academic research and beyond.
Furthermore, the GGA will serve people who are interested in
gekkonids by providing a voice and means of communicating and sharing
of resources and ideas. "
Now before anyone gets upset.I have a right to voice my opinion.I
maintain one of the largest and most diverse geckonid species
collections in the world(over 200 species). My life revolves around
geckos,not one person in the GGA loves geckos more than me.Alot of
you know who I am. Let the GGA die already.Put it out of it's
misery,It is the responsible and ethical thing to do. You are helping
destroy the interest in my hobby and the GGA is far beyond being
rediculous.
PLEASE,PLEASE, let it die.Find another avenue for social acceptance.
GGA...R.I.P.
Very kindest regards,
Jay "GG" Sommers
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [gecko]...Euthanasia for Distressed Geckos...
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 15:30:16 +0000
I would say next time to just flush it.
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [gecko]...Euthanasia for Distressed Geckos...
> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 08:17:14 -0800
>
> Hi Sherron,
>
> I know a snake-keeper that kills rats with (I think) a carbon-dioxide
> chamber, because she doesn't like to kill them "maually". I can find
> out more, or put you in touch with her if you like.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Melody
>
> Sherron wrote:
>
> > Aloha, Kind Friends
> >
> > I prefer to let nature take its course usually, too. But
sometimes you
> > can see they are in obvious pain ... and that hurts me too much,
too. I
> > can't bear to see them in pain. Especially when it has become
apparent
> > that it is hopeless.
> >
> > This poor girl apparently fell from our high ceiling onto a tile
floor.
> > When we found her, she only moved when we tried to gently move
her out
> > of the way. We placed her in a container so she would be safe from
> > predators (other geckos, cats, mongoose, birds) and foot
traffic, in the
> > hopes she would recover, and gave her fruit and water. It was
obvious it
> > hurt her to move, but she seemed okay when still, so we hoped
for the best.
> >
> > By the afternoon of the next day, however, her eyes were badly
sunken,
> > she had trouble breathing, and her skin was developing black
blotchy
> > areas. She would stiffen and gasp repeatedly for air, which
obviously
> > was causing her more pain. By this time, it had been about 18-20
hours
> > since her fall and she had started to deteriorate rapidly. If
there had
> > been any hope ... :(
> >
> > If we were still on the mainland, I could have taken her to our
vet who
> > we did trust and who would have treated her properly. But here
in the
> > islands, we don't have those resources. Our real problem is finding
> > someone who would even treat geckos. Heck, finding adequate medical
> > treatment for humans is a big problem on the outer islands, let
alone
> > for exotic animals. I have Myasthenia Gravis (MG) and I can't
find a
> > neurologist that knows anything about my disease on this island. My
> > husband sees a cardiologist who flies over once a month from the
island
> > of Oahu. It took me 1-1/2 years to find a personal doctor who would
> > treat my "complicated" problems. Medical care for both people and
> > animals is sadly lacking.
> >
> > And it looks like the small number of vets here primarily just
treat
> > cats & dogs. Those I have called don't include reptiles at all.
But I
> > really am not surprised, as we had trouble finding a vet who
really knew
> > how to take care of "exotics" like our pet rats in southern
California,
> > too. Finding good vets who know more than cats & dogs has always
been a
> > problem -- it's just that here in Kona there are far fewer to
start with.
> >
> > I am also no longer convinced that a shot from just any vet is
> > automatically better. I took one of my rats to another vet when
our own
> > vet was out of town and she screamed in pain from his injection
-- she
> > suffered a lot from it and it took her a long time to die as she
> > suffered. Not all vets have empathy nor even seem to believe that
> > animals really can suffer pain. So unless you know the vet, you
are just
> > taking your chances. Sometimes you have no choice, But that
experience
> > has made me leery of automatically trusting every vet.
> >
> > Worse, after doing some checking online, I find that it is
illegal in
> > Hawaii to catch & keep any day geckos in Hawaii (except with a
permit
> > for scientific research) in order to discourage any trade in them
> > whatsoever. It is okay to keep the native species, but not any
animal
> > banned for import/export that are deemed dangerous to the native
> > populations (native insects, in this case). So even if there
were good
> > gecko vets, they would be risking their license if they to treat
a day
> > gecko since they cannot be legally kept.
> >
> > So right now we are pretty much on our own. We either have to
stand by
> > and watch them die, no matter how long it takes, or we need
something
> > else we can come up with to make their going easier. Maybe my
husband
> > can "smash" them, as someone else suggested. I don't know that I
could
> > unless they were already partially crushed already ... or like
this poor
> > little baby we found on our lanai, being eaten alive by ants, we
think
> > partially eaten by a day gecko who bit off more than it could
chew and
> > coughed her back up.
> >
> >
> > We're sure she was in terrible pain -- I can't believe that
freezing her
> > was worse than the pain she was suffering.
> >
> > I didn't know what to do for them, but my husband felt freezing
would be
> > quicker and kinder than letting them slowly die in pain. If we were
> > wrong, I regret it immensely. I do know it is not at all kind for
> > mammals; I just do not know for reptiles. Thankfully, we have
> > encountered such dreadful conditions only twice. But knowing day
geckos,
> > it is possible this horrible situation will come up again -- and
I am
> > desperate for a better choice. Can you help? :(
> >
> > Mahalo, Sherron
> >
> >
> >
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----
> > Gecko aka Sherron, Kailua Kona, Hawaii (on the Big Island of
Hawaii)
> > Homepage: http://hale-pohaku.com/sherron - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
pohaku.com
> > See our rats: http://hale-pohaku.com/dennis/ratgallery.html
> >
>
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