Berapa banyak pelarian politik, korupsi dari RRT ke HK saya juga tidak
jelas! Ada yang menyatakan bisa ratusan, ... jasus besar dan sedang.
Tapi yang lebih serius, seperti diketahui HK sejak jaman koloni Inggris
dahulu, sudah merupakan basis intel dari berbagai negara, khususnya CIA
dan KMT dan jumlah mereka juga ratusan! Belum yg sengaja ditinggalkan
oleh koloni Inggris!
Jadi, disahkannya UU Ekstradisi ini jelas diTENTANG keras dengan
terang-terangan oleh AS, Inggris jangan sampai orang-orangnya di HK
tiba-tiba bisa diekstradisi ke Tiongkok daratan!
ajeg [email protected] [GELORA45] 於 19/6/2019 12:42 寫道:
Kalau yang ke Singapura konon cukup mengembalikan hasil kejahatannya.
Apa berarti silakan terus jadi penjahat di/dari Singapura?
--- jonathangoeij@... wrote:
dimilis ini juga ada yg lari dari RRC ke HK
tp yg lari dari RRC ke HK lebih tepat disebut mencari kehidupan yg
lebih baik
--- ajegilelu@... wrote :
Berapa banyak penjahat yang lari dari RRC ke HK?
--- ilmesengero@... wrote:
Mungkin yang benar seperti semula ditetapkan "one country two
systems". Satu negara dua sistem politik.Tetapi kalau lama kelamaan
kedua-duanya menjadi satu sistem, misalnya komunis atau juga
kapitalis, maka hilanglah pengertian semula.
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:27 AM jonathangoeij@...
<mailto:jonathangoeij@...> wrote:
Hebat ya Partai Demokrat bisa mendapat support dari sedemikian banyak
rakyat Hong Kong.
--- SADAR@... wrote :
Yang "BETUUUL" itu apanya???
Yang jelas kondisi atau status Hongkong memang UNIK, tidak ada kedua
nya didunia ini! Sekalipun jelas jemelas merupakan bagian dari
Tiongkok daratan, dan oleh karena itu penekanannya pada SATU negara,
tapi berlakukan 2 SISTEM, sistem sosialisme dan tetap meneruskan
sistem kapitalisme di HK!
Bisa saja UU Ekstradisi itu hanya berlaku antar negara, tapi melihat
kekhususan kondisi Hongkong, menurut saya juga TIDAK SALAH revisi UU
Ekstradisi yang hendak dijalankan Carrie Lam, Gub. HK kali ini. Karena
memang, UU Ekstradisi yg selama ini berlaku di HK juga aneh, tidak
berlaku untuk Tiongkok, Taiwan dan Macau, ... dan oleh karenanya
hendak direvisi! Jangan jadikan HK sorga pelarian pelanggar
pidana/kriminal, karena tidak bisa diekstradisi dan tidak bisa diadili
di HK! Lalu, dimana masalahnya ditentang begitu KERAS, ... oleh Partai
Demokrat dan berhasil kerahkan sebegitu banyak massa turun kejalan,
bahkan mendapatkan dukungan kuat dari asing, khususnya oleh AS dan
Inggris???
jonathangoeij@... <mailto:jonathangoeij@...> 於 19/6/2019 7:14 寫道:
betul juga ya.....
artinya Chan yg mendukung UU Ekstradisi beranggapan 2 negara yg berbeda.
--- ajegilelu@... wrote:
Ruwet juga ya.
Setahu saya ekstradisi itu perjanjian hukum antarnegara. Jadi, seperti
apa pijakan yang benar karena pemerintah Hong Kong mau berlakuan
ekstradisi dengan pemerintah RRC. Artinya, pemerintah HK berpendapat
HK dan RRC adalah 2 negara berbeda. Sementara, penduduk HK yang
menolak hukum ekstradisi bukankah justru berpijak pada pendapat HK
bagian dari RRC...?
Hehe...
--- SADAR@... wrote:
Lho, TIDAK ada maksud saya MELARANG orang berpendapat! Yang saya
ajukan KESALAHAN Pijak pendapat sumbang itu!
ajeg 於 18/6/2019 9:59 寫道:
Apa berpendapat begini juga tak boleh?
“Not yet” is a reference to the terms of the joint declaration
governing Hong Kong’s return to Chinese rule in 1997, which promised
that the territory’s way of life would remain unchanged for 50 years,
until 2047. When it was signed, in 1984, the year 2047 seemed
impossibly far off, but the proposed extradition law brings 2047 much,
much closer.
--- SADAR@... wrote:
Aachhh, ... bung ini ada-ada saja! Darimana bisa Not Yet!!! Sejarah HK
selama ini TIDAK pernah ada yg bisa bilang bukan wilayah kesatuan
Tiongkok! Sekalipun 99 tahun disewakan Inggris, menjadi koloni
Inggris, TETAP saja tahun 1997 mutlak harus dikembali kepangkuan
ibu-pertiwi Tiongkok!
Masalah kesatuan negara itu harga mati bagi rakyat! Sama halnya dengan
NKRI adalah harga mati bagi Rakyat Indonesia, jangan coba-coba
berteriak GAM Merdeka, Papua Merdeka dsb, ...! Rakyat Indonesia akan
bangkit melawan habis-habisan membela NKRI!
ajeg 於 18/6/2019 9:29 寫道:
Sebaiknya memang ada kebebasan berpendapat. Setidaknya untuk bilang
not /yet/.
--- SADAR@... wrote:
Bagaimana bisa menganggap HK bukan bagian/wilayah Tiongkok! SATU
kesatuan NEGARA dibawah Republik Rakyat Tiongkok! Jelas, Louisa Lim
ini, tidak mengakui HK adalah bagian/wilayah tak terpisahkan dari
Tiongkok Daratan! Berkehendak HK Merdeka, .... dan sekarang terus
merongrong, menjegal kelancaran pem.HK dengan segala penolakkan dan
pemboikotan bahkan dengan usaha gunakan "people Power" aksi-aksi
kerusuhan/kekerasan melumpuhkan dan menggulingkan pemerintah HK!
ajeg 於 17/6/2019 23:23 寫道:
*Hong Kong is not China yet, but that feared day is coming ever nearer*
Louisa Lim**
Mon 17 Jun 2019 01.19 BST
/The extradition law was delayed after a million people took to the
streets, but the fight for the territory’s values is far from over/
Hong Kong has become a place whose present is unresolved and whose
future is unimaginable. After the unexpected violence of the last
week, no one can predict how the events of this afternoon, tomorrow,
this week will play out. The only certainty is that Hong Kong’s way of
life is under immediate threat and its people are coming out in force
to defend it.
But the curse of living in the eternal immediate present is that the
stakes for this “last fight” could not be higher, especially since
young Hong Kongers fear that if they are defeated in this battle,
there will be nothing left to lose. The failure of the Umbrella
movement five years ago, when Hong Kongers occupied important
thoroughfares for 79 days, seeking greater democratic participation,
to win any concrete gains has raised the stakes further still this
time round.
“HK is not China! Not yet!” These few words hastily scrawled on to a
piece of A4 paper and tacked on to the concrete strut of a walkway
aptly encapsulate the political crisis roiling Hong Kong. The
territory has been plunged into instability after police fired rubber
bullets and 150 rounds of teargas to break up a huge rally on 12 June,
just days after a million people peacefully took to the streets to
protest against extradition legislation.
“Not yet” is a reference to the terms of the joint declaration
governing Hong Kong’s return to Chinese rule in 1997, which promised
that the territory’s way of life would remain unchanged for 50 years,
until 2047. When it was signed, in 1984, the year 2047 seemed
impossibly far off, but the proposed extradition law brings 2047 much,
much closer.
By permitting the rendition of anyone on Hong Kong soil to face trial
in China, it would effectively remove the firewall between Hong Kong’s
common law system and the mainland’s party-dominated legal system.
Though the government has now suspended the bill, the process has
unleashed a firestorm of fear and anger.
Since the Umbrella movement, Hong Kongers have already seen
irrevocable changes to their way of life: popularly elected lawmakers
have been disqualified by the courts for saying their oaths too slowly
or with the wrong intonation; politicians have been forbidden to stand
for election; a political party has been banned; activists have been
sent to prison on public-order offences; now the police have used
violence against their own people.
The unseemly rush to pass this unpopular extradition law has also
weakened each of the territory’s institutions. The legislature
descended into unseemly brawls, with fist fights breaking out as
committees duelled. The civil service and judiciary are no longer seen
as politically neutral. The police force, once seen as Asia’s finest,
is an object of popular hatred, and its relationship with the public
is irretrievably damaged.
The chief executive, Carrie Lam, is so unpopular that protesters
carried pictures of her face stamped with the word “Liar” and 6,000
mothers turned out to accuse her of not being fit for office. Even
though the bill has been put on hold, the process has already
permanently devalued the institutions that HK people hold dear.
Hong Kong’s status as a city of protest is also under threat. The
ability to demonstrate has become an important expression of local
identity that distinguishes Hong Kong from China and over the years
Hong Kongers have enthusiastically marched with performative flair,
mounting shopping actions, carol singing rallies and artistic protests
against censorship with blank placards. Yet the designation of
Wednesday’s protest as a riot, combined with court verdicts finding
activists guilty on public nuisance charges, strike at the very heart
of the ability to stage a protest.
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