dimilis ini juga ada yg lari dari RRC ke HK tp yg lari dari RRC ke HK lebih tepat disebut mencari kehidupan yg lebih baik
---In [email protected], <ajegilelu@...> wrote : Berapa banyak penjahat yang lari dari RRC ke HK? --- ilmesengero@... wrote: Mungkin yang benar seperti semula ditetapkan "one country two systems". Satu negara dua sistem politik.Tetapi kalau lama kelamaan kedua-duanya menjadi satu sistem, misalnya komunis atau juga kapitalis, maka hilanglah pengertian semula. On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:27 AM jonathangoeij@... mailto:jonathangoeij@... wrote: Hebat ya Partai Demokrat bisa mendapat support dari sedemikian banyak rakyat Hong Kong. --- SADAR@... wrote : Yang "BETUUUL" itu apanya??? Yang jelas kondisi atau status Hongkong memang UNIK, tidak ada kedua nya didunia ini! Sekalipun jelas jemelas merupakan bagian dari Tiongkok daratan, dan oleh karena itu penekanannya pada SATU negara, tapi berlakukan 2 SISTEM, sistem sosialisme dan tetap meneruskan sistem kapitalisme di HK! Bisa saja UU Ekstradisi itu hanya berlaku antar negara, tapi melihat kekhususan kondisi Hongkong, menurut saya juga TIDAK SALAH revisi UU Ekstradisi yang hendak dijalankan Carrie Lam, Gub. HK kali ini. Karena memang, UU Ekstradisi yg selama ini berlaku di HK juga aneh, tidak berlaku untuk Tiongkok, Taiwan dan Macau, ... dan oleh karenanya hendak direvisi! Jangan jadikan HK sorga pelarian pelanggar pidana/kriminal, karena tidak bisa diekstradisi dan tidak bisa diadili di HK! Lalu, dimana masalahnya ditentang begitu KERAS, ... oleh Partai Demokrat dan berhasil kerahkan sebegitu banyak massa turun kejalan, bahkan mendapatkan dukungan kuat dari asing, khususnya oleh AS dan Inggris??? jonathangoeij@... mailto:jonathangoeij@... 於 19/6/2019 7:14 寫道: betul juga ya..... artinya Chan yg mendukung UU Ekstradisi beranggapan 2 negara yg berbeda. --- ajegilelu@... wrote: Ruwet juga ya. Setahu saya ekstradisi itu perjanjian hukum antarnegara. Jadi, seperti apa pijakan yang benar karena pemerintah Hong Kong mau berlakuan ekstradisi dengan pemerintah RRC. Artinya, pemerintah HK berpendapat HK dan RRC adalah 2 negara berbeda. Sementara, penduduk HK yang menolak hukum ekstradisi bukankah justru berpijak pada pendapat HK bagian dari RRC...? Hehe... --- SADAR@... wrote: Lho, TIDAK ada maksud saya MELARANG orang berpendapat! Yang saya ajukan KESALAHAN Pijak pendapat sumbang itu! ajeg 於 18/6/2019 9:59 寫道: Apa berpendapat begini juga tak boleh? “Not yet” is a reference to the terms of the joint declaration governing Hong Kong’s return to Chinese rule in 1997, which promised that the territory’s way of life would remain unchanged for 50 years, until 2047. When it was signed, in 1984, the year 2047 seemed impossibly far off, but the proposed extradition law brings 2047 much, much closer. --- SADAR@... wrote: Aachhh, ... bung ini ada-ada saja! Darimana bisa Not Yet!!! Sejarah HK selama ini TIDAK pernah ada yg bisa bilang bukan wilayah kesatuan Tiongkok! Sekalipun 99 tahun disewakan Inggris, menjadi koloni Inggris, TETAP saja tahun 1997 mutlak harus dikembali kepangkuan ibu-pertiwi Tiongkok! Masalah kesatuan negara itu harga mati bagi rakyat! Sama halnya dengan NKRI adalah harga mati bagi Rakyat Indonesia, jangan coba-coba berteriak GAM Merdeka, Papua Merdeka dsb, ...! Rakyat Indonesia akan bangkit melawan habis-habisan membela NKRI! ajeg 於 18/6/2019 9:29 寫道: Sebaiknya memang ada kebebasan berpendapat. Setidaknya untuk bilang not yet. --- SADAR@... wrote: Bagaimana bisa menganggap HK bukan bagian/wilayah Tiongkok! SATU kesatuan NEGARA dibawah Republik Rakyat Tiongkok! Jelas, Louisa Lim ini, tidak mengakui HK adalah bagian/wilayah tak terpisahkan dari Tiongkok Daratan! Berkehendak HK Merdeka, .... dan sekarang terus merongrong, menjegal kelancaran pem.HK dengan segala penolakkan dan pemboikotan bahkan dengan usaha gunakan "people Power" aksi-aksi kerusuhan/kekerasan melumpuhkan dan menggulingkan pemerintah HK! ajeg 於 17/6/2019 23:23 寫道: Hong Kong is not China yet, but that feared day is coming ever nearer Louisa Lim Mon 17 Jun 2019 01.19 BST The extradition law was delayed after a million people took to the streets, but the fight for the territory’s values is far from over Hong Kong has become a place whose present is unresolved and whose future is unimaginable. After the unexpected violence of the last week, no one can predict how the events of this afternoon, tomorrow, this week will play out. The only certainty is that Hong Kong’s way of life is under immediate threat and its people are coming out in force to defend it. But the curse of living in the eternal immediate present is that the stakes for this “last fight” could not be higher, especially since young Hong Kongers fear that if they are defeated in this battle, there will be nothing left to lose. The failure of the Umbrella movement five years ago, when Hong Kongers occupied important thoroughfares for 79 days, seeking greater democratic participation, to win any concrete gains has raised the stakes further still this time round. “HK is not China! Not yet!” These few words hastily scrawled on to a piece of A4 paper and tacked on to the concrete strut of a walkway aptly encapsulate the political crisis roiling Hong Kong. The territory has been plunged into instability after police fired rubber bullets and 150 rounds of teargas to break up a huge rally on 12 June, just days after a million people peacefully took to the streets to protest against extradition legislation. “Not yet” is a reference to the terms of the joint declaration governing Hong Kong’s return to Chinese rule in 1997, which promised that the territory’s way of life would remain unchanged for 50 years, until 2047. When it was signed, in 1984, the year 2047 seemed impossibly far off, but the proposed extradition law brings 2047 much, much closer. By permitting the rendition of anyone on Hong Kong soil to face trial in China, it would effectively remove the firewall between Hong Kong’s common law system and the mainland’s party-dominated legal system. Though the government has now suspended the bill, the process has unleashed a firestorm of fear and anger. Since the Umbrella movement, Hong Kongers have already seen irrevocable changes to their way of life: popularly elected lawmakers have been disqualified by the courts for saying their oaths too slowly or with the wrong intonation; politicians have been forbidden to stand for election; a political party has been banned; activists have been sent to prison on public-order offences; now the police have used violence against their own people. The unseemly rush to pass this unpopular extradition law has also weakened each of the territory’s institutions. The legislature descended into unseemly brawls, with fist fights breaking out as committees duelled. The civil service and judiciary are no longer seen as politically neutral. The police force, once seen as Asia’s finest, is an object of popular hatred, and its relationship with the public is irretrievably damaged. The chief executive, Carrie Lam, is so unpopular that protesters carried pictures of her face stamped with the word “Liar” and 6,000 mothers turned out to accuse her of not being fit for office. Even though the bill has been put on hold, the process has already permanently devalued the institutions that HK people hold dear. Hong Kong’s status as a city of protest is also under threat. The ability to demonstrate has become an important expression of local identity that distinguishes Hong Kong from China and over the years Hong Kongers have enthusiastically marched with performative flair, mounting shopping actions, carol singing rallies and artistic protests against censorship with blank placards. Yet the designation of Wednesday’s protest as a riot, combined with court verdicts finding activists guilty on public nuisance charges, strike at the very heart of the ability to stage a protest. (Message over 64 KB, truncated)
