Mungkin yang benar seperti semula ditetapkan "one country two systems". Satu negara dua sistem politik.Tetapi kalau lama kelamaan kedua-duanya menjadi satu sistem, misalnya komunis atau juga kapitalis, maka hilanglah pengertian semula.
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 3:27 AM [email protected] [GELORA45] < [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hebat ya Partai Demokrat bisa mendapat support dari sedemikian banyak > rakyat Hong Kong. > > > ---In [email protected], <SADAR@...> wrote : > > Yang "BETUUUL" itu apanya??? > > Yang jelas kondisi atau status Hongkong memang UNIK, tidak ada kedua nya > didunia ini! Sekalipun jelas jemelas merupakan bagian dari Tiongkok > daratan, dan oleh karena itu penekanannya pada SATU negara, tapi berlakukan > 2 SISTEM, sistem sosialisme dan tetap meneruskan sistem kapitalisme di HK! > > Bisa saja UU Ekstradisi itu hanya berlaku antar negara, tapi melihat > kekhususan kondisi Hongkong, menurut saya juga TIDAK SALAH revisi UU > Ekstradisi yang hendak dijalankan Carrie Lam, Gub. HK kali ini. Karena > memang, UU Ekstradisi yg selama ini berlaku di HK juga aneh, tidak berlaku > untuk Tiongkok, Taiwan dan Macau, ... dan oleh karenanya hendak direvisi! > Jangan jadikan HK sorga pelarian pelanggar pidana/kriminal, karena tidak > bisa diekstradisi dan tidak bisa diadili di HK! Lalu, dimana masalahnya > ditentang begitu KERAS, ... oleh Partai Demokrat dan berhasil kerahkan > sebegitu banyak massa turun kejalan, bahkan mendapatkan dukungan kuat dari > asing, khususnya oleh AS dan Inggris??? > > > jonathangoeij@... [GELORA45] 於 19/6/2019 7:14 寫道: > > > > > betul juga ya..... > artinya Chan yg mendukung UU Ekstradisi beranggapan 2 negara yg berbeda. > > ---In [email protected], <ajegilelu@...> <ajegilelu@...> wrote : > > Ruwet juga ya. > > Setahu saya ekstradisi itu perjanjian hukum antarnegara. Jadi, seperti apa > pijakan yang benar karena pemerintah Hong Kong mau berlakuan ekstradisi > dengan pemerintah RRC. Artinya, pemerintah HK berpendapat HK dan RRC adalah > 2 negara berbeda. Sementara, penduduk HK yang menolak hukum ekstradisi > bukankah justru berpijak pada pendapat HK bagian dari RRC...? > > Hehe... > > --- SADAR@... wrote: > > Lho, TIDAK ada maksud saya MELARANG orang berpendapat! Yang saya ajukan > KESALAHAN Pijak pendapat sumbang itu! > > > ajeg 於 18/6/2019 9:59 寫道: > > Apa berpendapat begini juga tak boleh? > > “Not yet” is a reference to the terms of the joint declaration governing > Hong Kong’s return to Chinese rule in 1997, which promised that the > territory’s way of life would remain unchanged for 50 years, until 2047. > When it was signed, in 1984, the year 2047 seemed impossibly far off, but > the proposed extradition law brings 2047 much, much closer. > > --- SADAR@... wrote: > > Aachhh, ... bung ini ada-ada saja! Darimana bisa Not Yet!!! Sejarah HK > selama ini TIDAK pernah ada yg bisa bilang bukan wilayah kesatuan Tiongkok! > Sekalipun 99 tahun disewakan Inggris, menjadi koloni Inggris, TETAP saja > tahun 1997 mutlak harus dikembali kepangkuan ibu-pertiwi Tiongkok! > > Masalah kesatuan negara itu harga mati bagi rakyat! Sama halnya dengan > NKRI adalah harga mati bagi Rakyat Indonesia, jangan coba-coba berteriak > GAM Merdeka, Papua Merdeka dsb, ...! Rakyat Indonesia akan bangkit melawan > habis-habisan membela NKRI! > > ajeg 於 18/6/2019 9:29 寫道: > > Sebaiknya memang ada kebebasan berpendapat. Setidaknya untuk bilang not > *yet*. > > --- SADAR@... wrote: > > Bagaimana bisa menganggap HK bukan bagian/wilayah Tiongkok! SATU kesatuan > NEGARA dibawah Republik Rakyat Tiongkok! Jelas, Louisa Lim ini, tidak > mengakui HK adalah bagian/wilayah tak terpisahkan dari Tiongkok Daratan! > Berkehendak HK Merdeka, .... dan sekarang terus merongrong, menjegal > kelancaran pem.HK dengan segala penolakkan dan pemboikotan bahkan dengan > usaha gunakan "people Power" aksi-aksi kerusuhan/kekerasan melumpuhkan dan > menggulingkan pemerintah HK! > > > ajeg 於 17/6/2019 23:23 寫道: > > *Hong Kong is not China yet, but that feared day is coming ever nearer* > Louisa Lim > Mon 17 Jun 2019 01.19 BST > > *The extradition law was delayed after a million people took to the > streets, but the fight for the territory’s values is far from over* > > Hong Kong has become a place whose present is unresolved and whose future > is unimaginable. After the unexpected violence of the last week, no one can > predict how the events of this afternoon, tomorrow, this week will play > out. The only certainty is that Hong Kong’s way of life is under immediate > threat and its people are coming out in force to defend it. > > But the curse of living in the eternal immediate present is that the > stakes for this “last fight” could not be higher, especially since young > Hong Kongers fear that if they are defeated in this battle, there will be > nothing left to lose. The failure of the Umbrella movement five years ago, > when Hong Kongers occupied important thoroughfares for 79 days, seeking > greater democratic participation, to win any concrete gains has raised the > stakes further still this time round. > > “HK is not China! Not yet!” These few words hastily scrawled on to a piece > of A4 paper and tacked on to the concrete strut of a walkway aptly > encapsulate the political crisis roiling Hong Kong. The territory has been > plunged into instability after police fired rubber bullets and 150 rounds > of teargas to break up a huge rally on 12 June, just days after a million > people peacefully took to the streets to protest against extradition > legislation. > > “Not yet” is a reference to the terms of the joint declaration governing > Hong Kong’s return to Chinese rule in 1997, which promised that the > territory’s way of life would remain unchanged for 50 years, until 2047. > When it was signed, in 1984, the year 2047 seemed impossibly far off, but > the proposed extradition law brings 2047 much, much closer. > > By permitting the rendition of anyone on Hong Kong soil to face trial in > China, it would effectively remove the firewall between Hong Kong’s common > law system and the mainland’s party-dominated legal system. Though the > government has now suspended the bill, the process has unleashed a > firestorm of fear and anger. > > Since the Umbrella movement, Hong Kongers have already seen irrevocable > changes to their way of life: popularly elected lawmakers have been > disqualified by the courts for saying their oaths too slowly or with the > wrong intonation; politicians have been forbidden to stand for election; a > political party has been banned; activists have been sent to prison on > public-order offences; now the police have used violence against their own > people. > > The unseemly rush to pass this unpopular extradition law has also weakened > each of the territory’s institutions. The legislature descended into > unseemly brawls, with fist fights breaking out as committees duelled. The > civil service and judiciary are no longer seen as politically neutral. The > police force, once seen as Asia’s finest, is an object of popular hatred, > and its relationship with the public is irretrievably damaged. > > The chief executive, Carrie Lam, is so unpopular that protesters carried > pictures of her face stamped with the word “Liar” and 6,000 mothers turned > out to accuse her of not being fit for office. Even though the bill has > been put on hold, the process has already permanently devalued the > institutions that HK people hold dear. > > Hong Kong’s status as a city of protest is also under threat. The ability > to demonstrate has become an important expression of local identity that > distinguishes Hong Kong from China and over the years Hong Kongers have > enthusiastically marched with performative flair, mounting shopping > actions, carol singing rallies and artistic protests against censorship > with blank placards. Yet the designation of Wednesday’s protest as a riot, > combined with court verdicts finding activists guilty on public nuisance > charges, strike at the very heart of the ability to stage a protest. > > Today, any call to public action, even the act of giving speeches to a > rally, requires a greater degree of caution. The young activists involved > in recent protests have switched tactics to form leaderless, anonymous > collectives, hiding their identities with face masks and using messaging > apps to organise. The government has begun to act against these, arresting > one Telegram group administrator on suspicion of conspiracy to commit > public nuisance. Many activists no longer welcome their photos being taken > or doing interviews with foreign media. Within the course of a week, they > are becoming as cautious as mainland Chinese dissidents. By shutting young > people out of the political process, the government may well have created > an underground resistance that sees that radical action can have results. > > But the core values that Hong Kongers cherish include universal values, > press freedom, judicial independence and civil rights. These are seen by > Beijing as among the “seven unmentionables”, putting Hong Kongers on the > frontline of the clash between western “universal” values and the Communist > party’s need for total control. > > Faced with these existential > > (Message over 64 KB, truncated) > > >
