Chopin Cusachs wrote:
> 
> It's been years since I've seen the quotation, but what you wrote looks 
> right.
> I got the date from the Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, which is
> not claimed to be infallible, but generally careful for accuracy.   Come to
> think of it, 616 does look a bit too early.
> 
> My recollection for the early fire damage wasn't  Caesar vs Pompey but
> Octavian vs Antony.  Maybe age has deprived me of some gray brain cells.
> It would seem that Caesar didn't intend to destroy  the city or library; 
> but
> the attitude alleged of the Caliph is to be found over and over in the 
> history
> of the Persians, the first Muslims to conquer Egypt, the Arabs who came
> after, and finally the Turks.

I think it depends on the attitude of the Caliph in power at the time; 
some were pro-science, others not. Humanity has a lot to thank Muslim 
culture for; modern analytical medicine, algebra, architecture, etc. Not 
all Caliphs were anti-science/anti-knowledge. At certain points in time, 
the Muslim world was the most civilized and advanced in recorded 
history. Sad that attitude is long gone.

> My source as to the library being burned by the general is the same as that
> of his quote.  Gibbons is at least as unsympathetic toward Christianity as
> President Bush is toward Saddam Hussein.  If I had it at hand, my first
> place to check would be the first volume of John Julius Norwich's 
> Byzantium.
> Second, probably would be a good encyclopedia, but I don't have one either.
> I'll be content to accept an early statement from the article you cite, 
> that the
> problem isn't lack of information, but contradictory claims.  At the 
> end, the
> summary is
> 
> "The real tragedy of course is not the uncertainty of knowing who to 
> blame for
> the Library's destruction but that so much of ancient history, 
> literature and
> learning was lost forever. "

I consider this to be one of the most self-defeating crimes in history. 
Is there any good in fanaticism?

John Hebert

> At 04:19 PM 1/2/03 -0600, you wrote:
> 
>> Chopin Cusachs wrote:
>>
>>> Would add a snippet on the Muslim Empires and knowledge. The Muslim 
>>> general who conquered Alexandria
>>> in 616 burned the fabled library, saying that if it wasn't in the 
>>> Koran, it wasn't worth keeping.
>>
>>
>> It was actually thought to be 640AD. Islam was just getting started in 
>> 616, as it was only 610 that Mohammed had his first relevation in the 
>> cave at Mount Hira.
> 
> 
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