well, they were also only dark for the anglo saxon race. Other races around the world were flourishing. So maybe one persons dark age is anothers age of enlightenment. Maybe i think too much for my capacity (like a 486 running winxp)
about the tag, evolution supports using scripts as signatures. unfortunately that system isnt online right now, but the script is soemthing like #!/bin/sh echo "mat ||" fortune -s the -s tag is for short fortunes. i have another with the '-o' tag as well, which is for offensive :). those are fun --mat || i wish i did have internet on my computer now :( -----Original Message----- From: Doug Riddle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:18:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [brlug-general] New York Time: White House to Propose System for Wide Monitoring of Internet > Mat: > > Just a note about your tag. The dark ages were dark due to a lack of > light. There are several proposed reasons for the long winters and > dark skies, but the evidence is very firm, the dark ages were dark, > cold, and damp in Europe. > > There was scant light for growing food, severe famines, and rampant > diseases. The dark ages were dark because man was not the master of > his environment. The next catastrophe will tell if we have done any > better. Check records on growth rings for trees during the periods > from 11,000 to the late 13,000's. The records of ice accumulation > during the period known as the "dark ages" tell quite a story as > well. These were not a people givin to philosophy, or deep thought. > They were struggling to survive and largly failing. They called it > dark becuase they had heard thet the sun used to shine. > > The rebirth, was just that. Not to pour cold water on a 14th century > philosopher, just because they were all pompus and thick, he just > happened to be wrong as well as thick and pompus. By the by, Michner > didn't coin the phrase, he borrowed it from Chaucer. Chaucer wrote > in Middle English, so Michner thought he would get away with it, and > largely did. Oddly enough, Chaucer was paraprasing a monk from just a > hundred or two hundred years before and screwed it up, so I suppose > Michner can be forgiven. > > Happens my wife has a degree in Middle English and spotted it. Since > Chaucer "borrowed" a lot of what he wrote, who should point fingers? > > Just a nerd note from left field. > > Doug > > --- Mat Branyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Granted the government might not be all too bright, I think they > > would > > filter your email more than that, to make sure you were stating > > that > > think the president should be bombed, not talking about a movie. > > China > > does this, and the government reports that thier people are quite > > happy. > > > > P.S. If you dont hear from me in a week, assume the worst. > > > > --mat || An age is called Dark not because the light fails to > > shine, but > > because people refuse to see it. -- James Michener, "Space" > > > > > > On Tue, 2002-12-24 at 19:17, Doug wrote: > > > I second that notion. > > > > > > Abbott Mujica wrote: > > > > > > >excuse my french... fuck bush... what an ass! why? its pointless > > since thats what people dont want.. do you want someone hiding in > > your bushes monitoring your house because in an email you said that > > that movie was "The Bomb" jesus christ! there is no need for that > > junk > > > > > > > >On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:16:02 -0600 > > > >John Hebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>December 20, 2002 > > > >>White House to Propose System for Wide Monitoring of Internet > > > >>By JOHN MARKOFF and JOHN SCHWARTZ > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>he Bush administration is planning to propose requiring > > Internet service > > > >>providers to help build a centralized system to enable broad > > monitoring of > > > >>the Internet and, potentially, surveillance of its users. > > > >> > > > >>The proposal is part of a final version of a report, "The > > National Strategy > > > >>to Secure Cyberspace," set for release early next year, > > according to several > > > >>people who have been briefed on the report. It is a component > > of the effort > > > >>to increase national security after the Sept. 11 attacks. > > > >> > > > >>The President's Critical Infrastructure Protection Board is > > preparing the > > > >>report, and it is intended to create public and private > > cooperation to > > > >>regulate and defend the national computer networks, not only > > from everyday > > > >>hazards like viruses but also from terrorist attack. Ultimately > > the report > > > >>is intended to provide an Internet strategy for the new > > Department of > > > >>Homeland Security. > > > >> > > > >>Such a proposal, which would be subject to Congressional and > > regulatory > > > >>approval, would be a technical challenge because the Internet > > has thousands > > > >>of independent service providers, from garage operations to > > giant > > > >>corporations like American Online, AT&T, Microsoft and > > Worldcom. > > > >> > > > >>The report does not detail specific operational requirements, > > locations for > > > >>the centralized system or costs, people who were briefed on the > > document > > > >>said. > > > >> > > > >>While the proposal is meant to gauge the overall state of the > > worldwide > > > >>network, some officials of Internet companies who have been > > briefed on the > > > >>proposal say they worry that such a system could be used to > > cross the > > > >>indistinct border between broad monitoring and wiretap. > > > >> > > > >>Stewart Baker, a Washington lawyer who represents some of the > > nation's > > > >>largest Internet providers, said, "Internet service providers > > are concerned > > > >>about the privacy implications of this as well as liability," > > since > > > >>providing access to live feeds of network activity could be > > interpreted as a > > > >>wiretap or as the "pen register" and "trap and trace" systems > > used on phones > > > >>without a judicial order. > > > >> > > > >>Mr. Baker said the issue would need to be resolved before the > > proposal could > > > >>move forward. > > > >> > > > >>Tiffany Olson, the deputy chief of staff for the President's > > Critical > > > >>Infrastructure Protection Board, said yesterday that the > > proposal, which > > > >>includes a national network operations center, was still in > > flux. She said > > > >>the proposed methods did not necessarily require gathering data > > that would > > > >>allow monitoring at an individual user level. > > > >> > > > >>But the need for a large-scale operations center is real, Ms. > > Olson said, > > > >>because Internet service providers and security companies and > > other online > > > >>companies only have a view of the part of the Internet that is > > under their > > > >>control. > > > >> > > > >>"We don't have anybody that is able to look at the entire > > picture," she > > > >>said. "When something is happening, we don't know it's > > happening until it's > > > >>too late." > > > >> > > > >>The government report was first released in draft form in > > September, and > > > >>described the monitoring center, but it suggested it would > > likely be > > > >>controlled by industry. The current draft sets the stage for > > the government > > > >>to have a leadership role. > > > >> > > > >>The new proposal is labeled in the report as an "early-warning > > center" that > > > >>the board says is required to offer early detection of > > Internet-based > > > >>attacks as well as defense against viruses and worms. > > > >> > > > >>But Internet service providers argue that its data-monitoring > > functions > > > >>could be used to track the activities of individuals using the > > network. > > > >> > > > >>An official with a major data services company who has been > > briefed on > > > >>several aspects of the government's plans said it was hard to > > see how such > > > >>capabilities could be provided to government without the > > potential for > > > >>real-time monitoring, even of individuals. > > > >> > > > >>"Part of monitoring the Internet and doing real-time analysis > > is to be able > > > >>to track incidents while they are occurring," the official > > said. > > > >> > > > >>The official compared the system to Carnivore, the Internet > > wiretap system > > > >>used by the F.B.I., saying: "Am I analogizing this to > > Carnivore? Absolutely. > > > >>But in fact, it's 10 times worse. Carnivore was working on much > > smaller > > > >>feeds and could not scale. This is looking at the whole > > Internet." > > > >> > > > >>One former federal Internet security official cautioned against > > drawing > > > >>conclusions from the information that is available so far about > > the Securing > > > >>Cyberspace report's conclusions. > > > >> > > > >>Michael Vatis, the founding director of the National Critical > > Infrastructure > > > >>Protection Center and now the director of the Institute for > > Security > > > >>Technology Studies at Dartmouth, said it was common for > > proposals to be cast > > > >>in the worst possible light before anything is actually known > > about the > > > >>technology that will be used or the legal framework within > > which it will > > > >>function. > > > >> > > > >>"You get a firestorm created before anybody knows what, > > concretely, is being > > > >>proposed," Mr. Vatis said. > > > >> > > > >>A technology that is deployed without the proper legal controls > > "could be > > > >>used to violate privacy," he said, and should be considered > > carefully. > > > >> > > > >>But at the other end of the spectrum of reaction, Mr. Vatis > > warned, "You end > > > >>up without technology that could be very useful to combat > > terrorism, > > > >>information warfare or some other harmful act." > > > >> > > > >> > > > === message truncated === > > > ===== > Warmest Regards, > > Doug Riddle > http://www.dougriddle.com > http://fossile-project.sourceforge.net/ > http://www.libranet.com > -- "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they > are the Peoples' Liberty Teeth." - George Washington -- > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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