On 2/6/2001 at 11:26 AM Delagrange, Morgan wrote:
>Right, but the Jakarta PMC chairman objects to that definition.
I'm not sure if Sam Ruby has actually "objected" or not. It is evident
that Roy Fielding has objected to the scope of the Jakarta Project. As
it stands, the current mission given on the Web site is technically
incorrect. If we want a broader scope, it's obvious that the ASF will
require a board resolution to put things right.
>If you make the definition of Jakarta this restrictive
Jakarta's charter is * already * that restricted. The contract between
the ASF and the Jakarta PMC reads that Jakarta is "charged with the
creation and maintenance of open-source Java Servlet-related software
for distribution at no charge to the public."
As you pointed out, the Jakarta PMC has exceed its original charter.
The ASF board chairman has raised an exception, and presented two
alternatives: (1) A broader charter or (2) More PMCs.
Some people seem to like the idea of a broader charter. Other people
have said they don't. I'm just suggesting that as a followup to Roy's
suggestion (2) that we consider whether chartering Java-Apache for the
out-of-scope projects makes any sense.
>Really, if you limit the scope of the Jakarta project to Servlet-based
>technologies, the list of in-scope projects is very short:
But, is that a bad thing?
>projects like Slide and Struts, which only deal with servlets in part
I can't vouch for Slide, but Struts is definately Java Servlet-related
software.
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On 2/6/2001 at 11:26 AM Delagrange, Morgan wrote:
>Right, but the Jakarta PMC chairman objects to that definition. Sam
would
>rather make the scope fit the project, rather than the project fit the
new,
>much more restrictive scope. Right now, the Jakarta project does not
fit
>its current scope, and I think that's what most folks object to.
>
>Really, if you limit the scope of the Jakarta project to Servlet-based
>technologies, the list of in-scope projects is very short:
>
>Are Jakarta projects Serlvet based?
>-----------------------------------
>Ant (out of scope)
>ECS (out of scope)
>Log4J (out of scope)
>ORO (out of scope)
>Regexp (out of scope)
>Slide (partially in scope)
>Struts (partially in scope)
>Taglibs (in scope)
>Tomcat (in scope)
>Velocity (partially in scope)
>Watchdog (in scope)
>
>
>If you make the definition of Jakarta this restrictive, I'm afraid
that a)
>projects like Slide and Struts, which only deal with servlets in part,
may
>not gain enough support, and b) developers might be discouraged by
such a
>dramatic shift in focus.
>
>If we enforce the current charter, at least more of the current
projects are
>in scope:
>
>Are Jakarta projects Server based?
>----------------------------------
>Ant (out of scope)
>ECS (out of scope)
>Log4J (out of scope)
>ORO (out of scope)
>Regexp (out of scope)
>Slide (in scope)
>Struts (in scope)
>Taglibs (in scope)
>Tomcat (in scope)
>Velocity (in scope)
>Watchdog (in scope)
>
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