I quickly read the "Board of Directors Meeting Minutes" of 16 September 1999. The
minutes indeed link Java Servlet software to Jakarta's charter. but isn't this just a
technicality?
What would be gained by defining a new PMC? Moreover, I thought that java.apache.org
was going to be merged into jakarta. This is at least what http://java.apache.org/
says. (Jon confirmed this in an earlier note.)
What would be gained by refining the charter of Jakarta and pruning projects? Is it a
politically correct way of creating a new PMC? On a related note, what does the PMC
actually do? OK, it answerable to the Apache Board but what does that mean on a day to
day (or meeting to meeting) basis? What decisions does the PMC take? In particluar,
are those decisions microscopic or macroscopic? Why should I care (as a mere
committer) who is on the PMC? :-)
I apologize in advance if these questions have been already asked/answered. Ceki
At 11:33 06.02.2001 -0800, you wrote:
>--- Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 2/6/2001 at 11:26 AM Delagrange, Morgan wrote:
>> >Right, but the Jakarta PMC chairman objects to that
>> definition.
>>
>> I'm not sure if Sam Ruby has actually "objected" or
>> not. It is evident
>> that Roy Fielding has objected to the scope of the
>> Jakarta Project. As
>> it stands, the current mission given on the Web site
>> is technically
>> incorrect. If we want a broader scope, it's obvious
>> that the ASF will
>> require a board resolution to put things right.
>
> From Sam's comments, it seems pretty clear that he'd
>rather expand the scope than start pruning
>subprojects.
>
>> >If you make the definition of Jakarta this
>> restrictive
>>
>> Jakarta's charter is * already * that restricted.
>> The contract between
>> the ASF and the Jakarta PMC reads that Jakarta is
>> "charged with the
>> creation and maintenance of open-source Java
>> Servlet-related software
>> for distribution at no charge to the public."
>
>Agreed, many Jakarta projects are currently out of
>scope according to the current charter.
>
>> As you pointed out, the Jakarta PMC has exceed its
>> original charter.
>> The ASF board chairman has raised an exception, and
>> presented two
>> alternatives: (1) A broader charter or (2) More
>> PMCs.
>>
>> Some people seem to like the idea of a broader
>> charter. Other people
>> have said they don't. I'm just suggesting that as a
>> followup to Roy's
>> suggestion (2) that we consider whether chartering
>> Java-Apache for the
>> out-of-scope projects makes any sense.
>
>Thanks to Jon for clarifying the deprecation of the
>java.apache.org domain. The current Jakarta site
>states:
>
> The older Java Apache Project will have its
> projects merged into the Jakarta Project
> in the near future (no set date). For more
> information please see the announcement on that
> website.
>
>If this is still the case, fine. If not, we need a
>new plan of action, since clearly java.apache.org
>needs to go away.
>
>> >Really, if you limit the scope of the Jakarta
>> project to Servlet-based
>> >technologies, the list of in-scope projects is very
>> short:
>>
>> But, is that a bad thing?
>
>It's too specific. See next comment.
>
>> >projects like Slide and Struts, which only deal
>> with servlets in part
>>
>> I can't vouch for Slide, but Struts is definately
>> Java Servlet-related
>> software.
>
>I didn't say there weren't servlet-related components
>in Struts, I'm saying there's a lot more in Struts
>than servlet stuff; hence you can easily argue that
>Struts is not entirely in-scope. Much of Struts deals
>with servlets, but Struts also provides frameworks for
>XML parsing and database pooling, correct? Since
>these are not specifically servlet-related, they would
>have to be removed from the project.
>
>I'm not arguing for Jakarta becoming the one giant
>Java project, I'm just saying that a Servlet-oriented
>charter is too inflexible. I'd rather see a charter
>that focuses on Java servers and related tools (and I
>think Ant in particular may not fit, but that's
>another argument).
>
>- Morgan
>
>
>=====
>Morgan Delagrange
>Britannica.com
>
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