On 2/6/2001 at 9:13 PM Ceki Gülcü wrote:

>What would be gained by refining the charter of Jakarta and pruning
projects?

Roy Fielding has indicated that some action is necessary. His two
suggestions were to either ask the board to create additional PMCs, or
to broaden the scope of the existing PMC.

> What decisions does the PMC take?

Part of the problem is that the ASF PMC's are a recent invention, so no
one is entirely sure how they should work

We are working on that as part of the update to the guidelines at <
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/proposal.html#management >.

> Why should I care (as a mere committer) who is on the PMC? :-)

I know you're joking, but it is important to remember that the
Committers are suppose to be the real decision-makers here:

"Guiding principles include pushing down decisions whever possible, and
the ownership of the name and direction of a subproject is to be
determined by the expressed wishes of a majority of committers."

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http://www.mail-archive.com/ant-dev%40jakarta.apache.org/msg02070.html
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On 2/6/2001 at 9:13 PM Ceki Gülcü wrote:

>I quickly read the "Board of Directors Meeting Minutes" of 16
September 1999. The minutes indeed link Java Servlet software to
Jakarta's charter. but isn't this just a technicality?
>
>What would be gained by defining a new PMC? Moreover, I thought that
java.apache.org was going to be merged into jakarta. This is at least
what http://java.apache.org/ says. (Jon confirmed this in an earlier
note.)
>
>What would be gained by refining the charter of Jakarta and pruning
projects? Is it a politically correct way of creating a new PMC? On a
related note, what does the PMC actually do? OK, it answerable to the
Apache Board but what does that mean on a day to day (or meeting to
meeting) basis? What decisions does the PMC take? In particluar, are
those decisions microscopic or macroscopic? Why should I care (as a
mere committer) who is on the PMC? :-)
>
>I apologize in advance if these questions have been already
asked/answered.  Ceki


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