Hi David!

What do you think? Sun has absolute control over the language and the
APIs, and partial control over the hardware it runs on, so they can do
whatever they choose (even disguised with any number of Community
processes and licenses). We all know that and live with it.

Here in Apache land people don't seem to take a GNU-like perspective of
"it's nice, let's build our own". They build on whatever is available.

The momentum Sun has built with Java is only comparable to MS visual
languages -- in fact, MS is shamelessly copying the model with C#.
What's our choice of vendor as Java developers if we want to stay
compatible? Not much -- a little bit in the JVM department, some J2EE
servers, almost nothing in the APIs. What checks does Sun have to face
if they want to take advantage of it? A DOJ antitrust trial??? Don't
think so.

So, with the perspective of Java becoming a nasty thing, we should all
be learning JPython or something like that. Usually, when you need these
free alternatives, they are not yet there because nobody paid them
attention when they were not so necessary. And now go to your company
and explain them your alternative is an open standard and Java isn't.

My only hope is that, in fact, it seems like bad business to go that
way. There's only room for one MS, and Java is where it is because it's
good for development. If/when it becomes only good for Sun, it will
start losing appeal and developers will go somewhere else -- if we can
find it.

Un saludo,

Alex.

David Duddleston wrote:
> 
> It seems great that sun has included all these new useful
> application/libraries/API, but I don't know what to think about the drawback
> which is more or less this.
> 
> Sun JDK Java platform = MS Windows
> Log4j = navigator
> JSR-47 = IE
> 
> Some difference of course, but the analogy seems to close for comfort.
> 
> What are others thinking. Can Apache apps establish themselves as the true
> open standard leaders? Or will competing application be swallowed up by Sun
> Java platform dominance? Will Sun end up like MS if they enter into the
> application market? Will Sun uses its control to create an unfair playing
> field with J2EE applications servers giving IPlanet an advantage some how? I
> know this is going to an extreme, but there does seem to be a bit of a
> parallel.
> 
> -david

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