perhaps sun should make it more clear that petshop is not a benchmark and is
instead a multi-faceted example of the possibilities offered by j2ee.  i
suppose they could rework it and create a benchmark out of it...

microsoft is obviously misusing it...and that is possibly what they do best
(and are 'doing right'), spread FUD.

matt
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From: "Jon Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] MS makes a better PetShop...


> on 10/31/01 5:41 PM, "horwat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The J2EE PetStore application was created as an educational tool to
showcase
> > features available in a J2EE architecture. True, it has many more EJB's
then
> > required in a normal application but these EJB's are meant to be
examples of
> > how the technology can be used. PetStore shows by example various design
> > patterns and is not meant to be a benchmarked application.
> >
> > Microsoft is really missing the point in their benchmark. In their port
they
> > don't have a middle tier. They are really missing the meat of the
> > architecture and essentially have a database accessible through
webpages. It
> > is this middle tier, through the use of EJBs, that allows pluggability
and
> > reusability of business logic.
> >
> > It is quite telling that Microsoft targeted a strawman, non-optimized,
> > education focused application instead of an official J2EE benchmark like
> > ECPerf.
> >
> > Justy
>
> Why can't anyone learn that providing crummy examples only encourages
people
> to create crummy applications? Most of the people out there probably try
to
> copy/paste as much code as they can from samples like the PetStore. People
> who are even looking at it in the first place are looking at it as the
'Sun
> approved' way of creating applications.
>
> If you are really trying to educate people how to use various design
> patterns, then why not show them the right way in the first place?
>
> Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy in all of this?
>
> p.s. Sun's stock price is flying at a whopping 10.84. M$ must be doing
> something right (at 61.84).
>
> -jon
>
>
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