On Mon, 2002-02-04 at 09:18, Sam Ruby wrote: > Paul Hammant wrote: > > > > What rules do you want changed? > > > > 1) Apache considering that GUI apps are legitimate targets for ASF > > attentions. > > 2) If jakarta is not the place, then a foundary for GUI apps/comps/tools > > These rules don't seem to be present in my copy, can you point me to where > I can find them? ;-) > > > Perhaps I am foolish in that I think this is a forgone conclusion? (i.e. > > will be voted down by jakarta-general for (1) and PMC for (2) ) > > Nothing is a foregone conclusion. Quoting from "www.apache.org": > > The Apache Software Foundation provides support for the Apache community > of open-source software projects. The Apache projects are characterized > by a collaborative, consensus based development process, an open and > pragmatic software license, and a desire to create high quality software > that leads the way in its field. We consider ourselves not simply a > group of projects sharing a server, but rather a community of developers > and users. > > I see absolutely nothing there that would preclude GUI apps. >
It would seem to be slightly outside Jakarta's mission statement Jakarta is a Project of the Apache Software Foundation, charged with the creation and maintenance of commercial-quality, open-source, server-side solutions for the Java Platform, based on software licensed to the Foundation, for distribution at no charge to the public. with the probable failing principal being "server-side". I don't really object or anything. Just pointing that out. > >>Warning: that's a trick question. If you want to take initiative and move > >>jesktop to sourceforge, you will ultimately be successful. If you want to > >>take initiative and build a community for jesktop here within Apache, you > >>will ultimately be successful. If you want to take initiative and work to > >>get a rule changed you will ultimately be successful. > >> > >>The only think you will find that you don't have control over is the number > >>of hours in a day. > >> > >Three assertions - a, b & c. (a) true, (b) subject to project-status > >and 1 above, (c) subject to 2 above. > > Apache and Jakarta get proposals all the time that are of the form "if only > these codebases were part of the Jakarta or Apache, then certainly they > would attract a community". Such proposals generally get politely turned > away. > > > You really think there is a real possibility to stay here and flourish? > > Actually, no. At least not given the information you have provided before. > Specifically, the comment about being "sidetracked with Enterprise Object > Broker and AltRMI (and would be with AvalonDB if I had time)." But this > has nothing to do with a, b, *OR* c above. > > I can't resist closing this with the following: > > In "The Wizard of Oz", Dorothy is lost in Oz and longs for home. She > visits the Wizard, who gives her a task that she must perform (killing > the Wicked Witch) before he will help her. When she and her friends > accomplish this task, Dorothy comes back to the Wizard, only to discover > that he's a charlatan with no more powers than she. And, yet, he knows > much! The Wizard tells Dorothy that she has had the power to go home all > along--inside herself. All she has to do is click her ruby slippers > together saying, "There's no place like home." > > Should the Wizard have told Dorothy when she first came to him that she > alone had the power to bring herself home? Would she have believed him? > Aren't we all looking for our Wizard, the Great Oz, Someone, Something, > that will have the answers and help us find home? We do not easily > accept that home can be found inside our own skin, or in the very house > we inhabit, or in the very lives we live. The path toward home begins > where we are, and only we can direct ourselves to it. And the only way > to comprehend that is to begin the journey outward, and inward, on our > own path toward home. > > ;-) > > - Sam Ruby > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- www.superlinksoftware.com www.sourceforge.net/projects/poi - port of Excel format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix java generics! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
