I really think the time has come for a Java gui stuff foundry.  (Unless
everyone has moved to C# already ;-) ).

-Andy


On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 08:00, Santiago Gala wrote:
> Paul Hammant wrote:
> 
> > Folks,
> >
> > *Context*
> >
> > To remind you, I am a committer on Avalon and Commons with intersts in 
> > anything that uses avalon-phoenix.   Many months ago, I placed a long 
> > worked on project called Jesktop inside jakarta-avalon-cornerstone's 
> > CVS as a "demo" application for Avalon-Phoenix.  I then did quite a 
> > bit more work on it.   I think it may have been a bit of a mistake. 
> > Despite continued interest in Jesktop ( I get a private email once a 
> > week asking "how do I download it"), it is essentially stagnating 
> > there as I am sidetracked with Enterprise Object Broker and AltRMI 
> > (and would be with AvalonDB if I had time).
> 
> 
> I found it a couple of weeks ago, I tested it and it looked a pretty 
> interesting effort. It looks performant enough for everyday usage.
> 
> Lessons learned (WRT project management):
> 
> 1 it was difficult to find (I think I found it following a link 
> somewhere in Cocoon, but it was convoluted).
> 2 the demo looked interesting, but it was difficult to grasp where and 
> how Jesktop is going (vision...)
> 3 I'm sure a lot of people will use it, feed back on it, improve it if 
> it is more visible.
> 
> I don't want to enter the discussion about where is it going to happen, 
> but I would be interested in seeing it happen somewhere.
> 
> As an early dreamer in the Java OS concept I appreciated jesktop a lot. 
> I have a mental pointer to track it in the future.
> 
> Some years ago, I was raving on java to a MS marketing guy. He told me 
> "sure, but you are showing me this demo running on Windows". Then I 
> downloaded java OS (do you remember this?) and next time I met him I 
> showed java to him running mostly natively (it still used MS-DOS, but 
> this is little more than a BIOS) .
> 
> I felt about the same when I started jesktop on top of linux-X without 
> any native Window Manager some days ago.
> 
> 
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