On 5/2/02 6:33 PM, "Peter Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi, > > OJB deserves to be a peer to other projects alongside ant, avalon, struts etc For future reference, can we quantify this 'deservation' of peerage? I do know what you mean intuitively but there are all sorts of great things around, but I don't know how to measure 'deserves'. I kind of want to reserve the notion of 'deserve' for things like Cactus which started in commons (sort of :) and grew to a large community. I don't know how big the OJB community is, where it's being used, etc. (I know Poolman's is huge, but that doesn't seem to matter - the # of developers seems to be the gating factor...) I guess the real question I have is what does it mean to be a 'peer'? Is it 1) location on jakarta web page? No problem. We can do that. 2) Independence of committers to do as they please with their project? No problem - that's a given. 3) ? (And I recognize that the components of Jakarta commons are not peers, of course...) > > A somewhat better idea IMO would be to use OJB + Torque as a trampoline for a > new top-level project "db.apache.org" (or insert something more snappy if you > want). There is no way we could do that once they are here. Once those 17 people are Apache committers in their own subproject, they can do as they please, like any other subproject. I'll be the first to defend that. > So much like xml.apache.org deals with XML, db.apache.org will deal > with databases (maybe even collaborate with xml.apache.org/xindice in > future). This would be great, and would certainly satisfy the 'needs' that motivate me to propose this. However, we have a bit of chicken and egg to deal with. We could go to the Apache board and ask to start it, hoping that something stumbles in, or take a small pause with OJB and try to work out a proposal, bundling several things together to make a new Apache subproject. It would make a stronger proposal. OJB seems to be in no danger - if we waited a little while (a few days? A week?), it wouldn't make a difference. So I propose that we put together a proposal for a db.apache.org. We should 1) see if the OJB community wishes to be a part of it, actually the 'marquee' or 'anchor' project. If not, no foul - we continue with the proposal to be a subproject of Jakarta. 2) We see if any parts of Jakarta are willing to volunteer to join. There is Torque, parts of avalon, commons dbcp. Must be more... If there is interest, I would gladly bring over Poolman with a set of 3 existing Apache committers (at least). If this steps on Commons dbcp's toes, I'll happy withdraw this point (although to have both would be nice...) Is this moving in the right direction? geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
