On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:

> I'll iterate : the point isn't just for it to be OJB, but to put together a
> package of projects that want to do this.  I think the only way for it to be
> a strong apache community is if it has a large amount of apache
> participation.  The only way to do that is to get something else in there
> *other* than OJB, as my read of the dev list shows apache people to be a
> small minority.

They _will_ be apache people.

I'm personally very uncomfortable with the term 'apache people' - 
any commiter is IMHO an apache person. Some with a big mouth, 
some not. But all are equal as commiters in their project - 
there is no hierarchy. Only the PMC, which thanks to Sam does act as it 
should, like a 'secretary' or 'administrative' entity.

I'm also very unhappy with the xml/jakarta separation and 
the balkanisation of apache - as well shown by the current 
maven/forest/cocoon/centipede discussion, where even xml.apache.org 
is affected by jakarta's NIH. 

So I'll be -1 ( as a jakarta commiter - my vote obviously 
doesn't count for that ) on another apache.org fragmentation.


Costin


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