On Fri, 3 May 2002 11:44, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > On 5/2/02 6:33 PM, "Peter Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > OJB deserves to be a peer to other projects alongside ant, avalon, struts > > etc > > For future reference, can we quantify this 'deservation' of peerage?
It should be size of developer community, size of codebase etc. Alternatively you just have to be able to influence the people who vote. > I don't know how big > the OJB community is, where it's being used, etc. From what I hear (mainly from EJB peeps), OJB is all good and fairly popular. If the torque people also praise it then I figure it must be decent. > (I know Poolman's is > huge, but that doesn't seem to matter - the # of developers seems to be the > gating factor...) The ability to support/grow a community would be biggest factor IMO. The larger the number of developers the greater the ability to grow a community. However if the codebase is too small or too specialized or too good then it will never attract community. If it is a platform rather than a product that is also key to its success. > > So much like xml.apache.org deals with XML, db.apache.org will deal > > with databases (maybe even collaborate with xml.apache.org/xindice in > > future). > > This would be great, and would certainly satisfy the 'needs' that motivate > me to propose this. > > However, we have a bit of chicken and egg to deal with. We could go to the > Apache board and ask to start it, hoping that something stumbles in, or > take a small pause with OJB and try to work out a proposal, bundling > several things together to make a new Apache subproject. It would make a > stronger proposal. It comes down to the OJB committers. If they want to do it then there is very little standing in the way. I doubt the board would object which means that there just needs to be some volunteers from other apache projects to help set it all up. Mainly this means making sure the Apache "spirit" is instilled in the new PMC, helping with infrastructure (gump, website etc) and advertising. Overtime it may also mean advocacy (like getting cooperation from ozone and xindice, etc or even bringing them to project). And dont forget shameless self promotion. In the end I think it would be best move for OJB group (much better awareness and promotion and in the end development) however it comes down to whether they want to do it and if there is enough Apache volunteers to get it going. > 2) We see if any parts of Jakarta are willing to volunteer to join. There > is Torque, parts of avalon, commons dbcp. Must be more... I would not bother with the parts from commons or avalon at this stage. Torque could be interesting though, as would poolman ;) > Is this moving in the right direction? I think so. But it is up to someone volunteering to do the legwork. Talk to the OJB guys and see if they want to do so. Do the same to torque peeps. If all is good then someone will need to help them set up PMC and do all the infrastructure stuff. If you need volunteers I will help integrating gump and also help with their website but have no time for politics or coding on their stuff. Or to put it simply if you want it done and OJB wants it done then it will get done - otherwise it wont, simple as that really. -- Cheers, Peter Donald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
