> > >That's what I did... I posted my -1 over there, detailed why, and I'm >waiting for someone to write me back something about it... So far, nothing >worth making me change my vote (meaning, nothing more than what was already >there). > So that means its vetoed...what's your beef?
>No, my vote is binding... It's not a majority... I don't need the PMC to >block the thing from happening... They might need the PMC to unblock the >situation since I'm a stubborn donkey! :) > > I do not think the PMC should intervene just because the others disagree. This looks like an issue that is totally restricted to the Tomcat community. I don't understand the issue. The system is working. . .why raise a fuss elsewhere. You have an issue with the standards and you've vetoed the committership. This seems to me to be exactly what is supposed to happen... >I trust _some_ of them on the server, as I believe not all of them trust me >(talking about code)... The only thing that _noone_ yet wrote to me on the >tomcat list saying "no, you should change your vote in a +1 or a 0 because >and because" makes me feel that (probably) I was right... > >Actually on the same topic, few other people raised my same concern and >agreed (although not posting another -1 vote)... We're all civilized and >stuff :) :) :) :) > > So the system works! Good news! >I normally trust the my co-committers on Tomcat, yes. Best coders I've seen >on this planet (of course apart notable exceptions, but that's another > bzzzt wrong. :-p We sucked up the best coders on the planet for the POI project ;-) >story). But trusting them doesn't need to mean that I'm going to jump of a >cliff if they all do it, right? > > Right but it should be up to ya'll tomcatters to work out your standards amonst yerselves. Thats my only issue. >The only information I have to vote +1 for this guy on MY project (tomcat) >are a handful of email, and 3 weeks of history... I'm sorry, but I need to >know someone before I can honestly say "he's my buddy and I want to have him >on my project" > > If I were a tomcat committer I'd vote with you, but I rarely understand those Tomcat guys. Who DOES understand those Tomcat guys anyhow ;-). > > >>>And at large, it entitles you to have an @apache.org email address, to have >>>access to our live servers, entitles you to be a part of the whole Apache >>>family... >>> >>> >>> >>you're point being? >> >> > >???? My point being that there's something behind having a name on the CVS >"avail" file and an entry in /etc/passwd... :) > > But its up to the Tomcat community. The system works. No action is needed aside from that you've taken on the Tomcat list. > > >>And I don't disagree with you. Its a "states rights" argument. You're >>questioning whether this community has the right to bring someone into >>the inner circle of the community. I say its their right. Yes it >>affects us all, but it is their right as a project to do so. >> >> > >Indeed... It is. I'm not arguing with that. I wouldn't do it for POI (for >example), I trust your judgment, as a committer, that you will only let >other good people in our community... As you trust me to bring only good >people in the community, right? > > Right, my question is now why this is being brought to general @ jakarta and cross posted when its an internal issue to Tomcat. If we need a webpage to give guidence to the communities as to how and when to make someone a committer, well thats fine, but I wouldn't like to see the PMC tell us who we can and can't make committers based on only what information flows up. Those decisions belong rightly to the communities. >Now, I seriously don't know the guy we're supposed to vote in, really, and >FWIW, he should be working with me on my same codebase... You see the point? >I don't know if he's a good person for your (and mine) community... > > I totally (based only on the information you've provided) agree. But I also think my opinion should be counted as worthless on the topic. > > >Indeed.. But I was _asked_ to vote him in... You see my point? I trust you >for who you let in thru POI... > > No, you voted -1. They have a right to try and convince you to change you vote, but the issue is decided. > > >Oh no, Andy... I'm sorry, I think you misunderstood... I am not asking >anyone to override anything... I _was_ asked to vote, I voted -1 for my >reasons, because I AM a tomcat committer... Hope that clears it :) > > So why post to PMC and general etc? No action is needed. I don't cc them everytime I vote for a committer, why if I'm voting against? When reading this I thought you were campaigning the PMC and general body of jakarta to enforce standards on the communities as to who they can and can't let be committers. That triggered the Andy alarm as I don't really want them to decide for POI or Lucene who we can and can't make committers. If I have an issue I'll take it up with said communities and not cross post it to general etc. -Andy > Pier > > >-- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
