Pier Fumagalli wrote:
On 16/3/03 20:20 "Hans Bergsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Geir, I _really_ am in troubles when dealing with Servlets. I cannot raise
issues on the tomcat-dev mailing lists, all I can do is discuss them with
Jon and Jason, as they both are on the spec...
You can raise and discuss your concerns in public as soon as a public
draft of the spec is available, and there are at least two public drafts
before the spec is finalized; plenty of time to make sure the larger
community is aware of, and agrees with, what's being suggested.
The "NDA" in the JCP agreement only applies to "confidential
information". After a public draft has been published, the info it
contains is no longer confidential.
As you are on the EG yourself, you know how hard it is to have one word
removed from the next revision of the spec once it gets in :-)
Just thinking out loud...
I agree that there's been problem with the Servlet EG this time around,
but what I'm saying is that there are avenues that we _could_ have
used to voice our concerns, but we didn't for some reason. There are a
number of mailing lists and online forums where developers interested
in the fate of the spec hangs out. We could have started discussions
there, and urged people to send feedback to Sun.
The JCP does not demand a "closed room discussion" all the way through;
there's plenty of opportunity to raise concerns and put external
pressure on the spec lead organization before the spec is final. Also,
don't judge JCP based on a single EG. I'm in four EGs, and while there's
been problems now and then in some of them, on the whole they work
pretty good.
I would be happier if the whole discussion leading up to a spec was
more open (and the JCP allows for it), but even the way it's typically
done, it's not all that bad. And compared to other spec organizations
(W3C, ECMA, IETF, etc.), it has a pretty good track record on average
for getting out specs with industry support in a reasonable time.
There are exceptions, of course, but I'm sure that's true for all
similar efforts.
Hans
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