On 3/7/06, Stephen Colebourne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thomas Dudziak wrote:
> > Could you elaborate a bit on what the physical / visual-to-users
> > differences to the current commons, well, Jakarta sub-project will be
> > ? Will this be a new Jakarta sub-project (and the other commons
> > components will remain in the current commons one) ?
>
> I've been trying to dodge this question. Why? Because I want to
> encourage other groupings (especially from commons) to self-select. If I
> make a proposal, then it will be an imposition.
>
> My hope is that in a few months we will have a mentality of working on
> *Jakarta* components, not working on commons (or any other) components.
> To achieve this will require other groupings.
>
> Note: I suspect that some Jakarta sub-projects, perhaps POI, Turbine and
> Velocity, may have real issues with this whole grouping philosophy. My
> answer is to *not* force communities that are truly content with the
> status quo to change.
>
> Each grouping will have:
> - a bland name (Jakarta Xxx Components)
> - an identity (how and why does the group exist)
> - sufficient size (to be active not inactive)
> - mailing lists (one ML for all Jakarta doesn't work)
> - SHARE COMMON ISSUES on a shared ML, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> What I will say is that its too early to worry about website issues. For
> now, all we need to know is that there will be a link somewhere to each
> component, and probably a single page describing each group. Pages such
> as release procedures etc are Jakarta-scoped and discussed on [EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]

I understand this, but I wonder whether this move will have an
immediate negative effect on the other Jakarta components in terms of
developer attention both to the projects and to the users. As you say,
probably not so much for the direct Jakarta sub-projects like
Velocity, but for the other commons components.

As a side note, perhaps this is an opportunity to evaluate if there
are better homes for some of the components ? E.g.
betwixt/digester/jxpath could benefit from going to XML commons, dbcp
and dbutils from going to DB etc. ?

cheers,
Tom

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