On 19/08/13 18:55, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:17:06 +0100, Stroller wrote: > >> Here's a short, very in-comprehensive list of software we are aware >> of that currently are not able to provide the full set of functionality >> when /usr is split off and not pre-mounted at boot: >> udev-pci-db/udev-usb-db and all rules depending on this (using the >> PCI/USB database in /usr/share), PulseAudio, NetworkManager, >> ModemManager, udisks, libatasmart, usb_modeswitch, gnome-color-manager, >> usbmuxd, ALSA, D-Bus, CUPS, Plymouth, LVM, hplip, multipath, Argyll, >> VMWare, the locale logic of most programs and a lot of other stuff. [1] > > How much of that is needed before the contents of /etc/fstab are > mounted? I certainly don't need to run a desktop, used a 3G modem, play > sounds or load a virtual machine before then. Yes, LVM may be needed, but > the needed parts are in /sbin anyway, so that is a red herring too. > > I understand the need, even desire, of binary distros to cover all bases > by taking the safer option, but Gentoo is about choice and all reasonable > choices should be permitted. It comes down to what the council means by > "not supported". If it means "will not work" that will cause problems for > some, but if it means "you have to work it out for yourself", well, > what's the point of a community if we can't work it out between us? > >
I rather suspect that they are going after the cloud/VM market ... having VM's boot quickly and simply along with no desire/need to fault find and repair ... just rm it and spin up another instance. It makes sense in that market ... what doesn't is pushing it into areas that are not appropriate and people dont want it. I think that Fedora has largely dropped off peoples list of useful distros but more interesting is how Redhat will go when these ideas start to get included in RHE - last I heard that still has not happened. I did try Fedora as a choice on our networking machines for students but took it off as no one used it as it was just "not nice" - possibly the bad vibes of gnome3 contributing - the surprise was linuxmint being more popular than ubuntu. Gentoo is there but only as a specially configured command line only tool so its not in the running. I still have not seen an adequate explanation as to why systemd isn't a profile as its far more intrusive than a gnome/kde choice and they have profiles. That way some bad choices like polluting systems with systemd files because they are only small and insignificant might be avoided. I have used the mask method but did waste some time on chasing down odd errors due to missing file errors in the logs so I would rather not have them on the system at all. So why not a profile so those guys who want to play can get a configuration that better suits them? - and vice versa if the whole systemd push dies and Redhat drops it as I doubt anyone else big enough will pick it up (they have a foot in both camps at the moment). Smaller distros that jump entirely systemd will be in trouble until they move back. BillK
