i agree; j2me and java are obfuscated by sun marketing; the reality of what
those tools offers has to be disambiguated from the noise.  look at jsr-179
(j2me location api) for example; the mailing lists are replete with people
that sun has managed to capture the time and attention of who eventually
discover that the much vaunted api returns two numbers (longitude and
latitude) that cellphone vendors have not yet made free... and that it is
about as cross-platform as a duck... it is an amazing tar pit.

to me the cellphone space still look like a witches brew of free agents
competing over scraps without any real awareness of a bigger opportunity...
if they could get their act together over the basic idea of making those 64
bits of information free...  we'd all tra la la through flowery fields of
bliss i am sure.

playing in somebody elses sandbox, with their image of prescribed activities
is not fun...

- a


On 1/11/07, Jim Youll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Jan 11, 2007, at 12:43 AM, stephen white wrote:

> To me, the most exciting part of the iPhone is an end to this
> Mobile Java, and getting back to compiled C on hardware. No more
> stupid VM, no more managed code, no more "cross-platform" that
> isn't, no more lowest common denominator crippling my high end gear
> to the same as a $5 rock.


I don't understand why you're cheering about an entirely closed
platform. For my part, if I can't program it, I don't want it.




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