On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 15:01, Maciej Pilichowski <bluedz...@wp.pl> wrote:
> On Sunday 17 May 2009 13:08:33 Fredrik Alströmer wrote:
>> I don't want to add fuel to the fire,
> Nah :-), we are talking not quarreling :-))

Well, in that case... ;)

>> I just wanted to point out
>> that Sven is not alone in his opinion.
> I realize that the current behaviour has the reason, but also I try
> find out the way, so users with other workflow could benefit.

It'll probably be very hard to solve for everyone, I guess solving for
'most people' (don't try to get a definition out of me on that one..)
;) is the best we can do. Note that I'm not saying I'm necessarily one
of that group.

>> I frequently find
>> myself zooming out briefly to see how it works in context, just to
>> zoom back in again a split-second later (very rarely zooming far
>> enough to have the image become smaller than the window).
> This is odd, or I don't understand you -- that's because I do what you
> do, and I always have to zoom out to such degree that the entire
> image fits in the window. In other words I have to do 10 zoom outs
> instead of just 1. And it is not helpful for me.

I must say, now I don't understand what you're saying, so chances are
there's been a misunderstanding here.. :) All I'm trying to say is
that I zoom out and back in, perhaps a level or two to see the
context, and without moving the mouse I zoom right back in again and
get exactly the same view.

>> If I do
>> zoom out to see the whole image, I'm usually done with that section
>> anyway, and at that point it's actually a good behavior (call it a
>> compromise if you wish, for me it just speeds up the workflow).
> For me it slows me down, because after 10 zoom outs, I have to perform
> 9 zoom ins, to get back to the level I wanted.

Ok, so now you've lost me. You're asking for kind of a 'bookmarked
view', so you don't have to zoom in again but rather 'undo' your zoom

>> Google maps is one of those that zoom in and out on the cursor,
> I just tried it, and it does not that (Firefox) -- it zooms the center
> of the image. I pointed out at Miami which was in the bottom right
> corner of the image, zoom in, Miami was gone.

I just tried the same thing, and I ended up in Opa-Locka, Miami...
Seriously though, how do you zoom in? (The behavior you're describing
is consistent with clicking the + and - buttons? Keyboard perhaps?) If
you're not using the scroll-wheel, than go ahead and take it for a

Zooming back out, same story, mouse in the lower right, and that's
exactly where Miami ends up.

> The effect of this (fixed point of zoom) is that the relation to mouse
> when doing in&out is preserved.
> Jernej pointed out that PaintShopPro behaves like I wished for, so
> they had a reason for this too.
> If those 3 modes cannot be combined into one (and I guess not), I
> would love to see an option for it. After all, not every single
> behaviour work for everybody.

Adding options is rarely the answer. It has a tendency to blow an
application to pieces. See this here for example (ok, perhaps a bit
exaggerated, but still funny, and on a meta-level actually rather


I'm not familiar enough with the plug-in interfaces, but perhaps the
behavior could be overridden using a plug-in, keeping the core product
nice and clean.

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