well, i gotta say, that were i ever to actually use the gimp in any heavy capacity, or a company i worked at would, these "saving" lists would be required reading due to the variety of formats/procedures detailed. thanks, i guess. :) dan
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Chris Mohler <cr33...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Renaud OLGIATI > <ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> wrote: > >> I fail to understand why using <ctrl><shift>E rather than > >> <ctrl><shift>S adds any time at all to your work. > > > > Not the time, but the annoyance at the stupidity of being told my file > has not been saved, when I have just saved it back to its original format > through Export. > > See, now this I don't get. Instead of the dialog in 2.6 that was "You > can't include layers, paths, etc. in JPEG, flatten image?", now > there's a dialog that's "Hey you might have exported but you didn't > save your layers, paths, etc, save them?" - and somehow this is so > vastly different? > > I was against the current behavior at the beginning, but my GIMP work > falls into one of two cases and it works out this way: > > 1.) "Without a net" - destructive editing > - I need to edit something like a 1-bit TIFF or a greyscale PNG. > - The file is already the result of export from a complex vector file. > - And all I really need to do is make some bits black, or some bits > white. > - Most of the time, I don't use layers or masks - if it's getting > too complex I need to go back to the vector source and correct there, > then do another export. > - So, I open, edit, export, close the file - and then I get the > warning, at which point I pause for a second and think: "did I add > layers, masks, etc. that I need in case this file is a tiny bit off?". > 99% of the time, I just close without saving - but there is that tiny > percent left where I think "hmm... I did save that really complex > selection that might come in handy - what the hell, I'll save it." > > So in case #1, it adds all of a second or maybe three to my workflow > and I've become quite used to it. It seems the loudest complaints come > from similar workflows - which are not part of GIMP's target. Which > brings me to... > > 2.) "Full-on GIMP" - lossless editing > - I'm creating a layered composition, or a background for another > composition that is layered and/or complex. > - So there's anything from text layers, layer masks, blending > modes - all types of stuff that isn't going to be retained in the > export format. > - I work, save the file as eg "file_20130615-01.xcf". I export in > my target format. > - If the final needs changes (or I've been working over an hour), > I save as "file_20130615-02.xcf", work, save, export. > > Case #2 is exactly how I work with everything in Adobe CS - Photoshop, > Illustrator, etc. already. Except that eg Illustrator doesn't > restrict the "clean" flag to just AI (it will treat PDF and EPS as a > cleanly saved format), it's exactly the same behavior. For example if > I create a file in AI, save it, make some changes, export PNG, close > it - it will warn me that.... wait for it.... I didn't save the > changes in a format that will be recognized by Illustrator the next > time I open the file. Sounds familiar, no? ;) > > Since I already work this way, I never see the "you didn't save" > dialog on these types of GIMP projects. At least, if I'm doing it > right that is ;) So it adds 0 seconds to my workflow. > > > I'll give you a simple example of #2: a client sends me a set of > bracketed images of a property to combine as "HDR" (never mind that > there are plenty of other tools, client also wants the dog poop out of > the yard and the windows cleaned while we're at it, eh?). I'm > certainly going to consider the file "saved" only when it retains all > of my layers and masks, never mind if the client is only going to see > the exported JPEG. That way, when they come back and ask "now can we > make the sky green?" (stranger requests have been made), it's "open, > adjust layer, save as, export, close" instead of "open, make mask > (again), adjust, export, close, don't save". Which saves me time, > which saves them money, which makes me more valuable as an asset. > > > If all of your GIMP usage falls into #1, you're probably using the > wrong tool for the job. Either deal with the extra dialog, or deploy > one of the various workarounds (or use another tool). If you're in > #2, the distinction should make no difference at all, really, unless > you enjoy doing the same work over and over again. > > Chris > > PS - we can do without the name-calling and nation-baiting. > _______________________________________________ > gimp-user-list mailing list > gimp-user-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list > _______________________________________________ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
