[completely off-topic; don't worry, we're just having a friendly chat]

Felipe Contreras wrote:
> If you are not prepared to defend your review, so are others, why to
> you blame that on me? If you were right, you would be shown to be
> right. Period.

Felipe, there are some things that are worth arguing about for a long
time (like the new revision spec I'm proposing in [1]), and others
that are not.

[1]: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/222248/focus=222526

> No, we operate in evidence and reason, *not* opinion. Any reasonable
> person would say "well, I *think* this commit message needs more
> description, but I don't *know*, I don't have *evidence* for it, so
> I'm not going to fight to the death, as if I had".

Don't you think you're taking reason to an extreme here?  Reason is a
tool that I use when I want.  I don't want reason when I'm browsing
Google Art Project or listening to Gentle Giant.  Arguments like "is
this commit message large enough?" are really not worth the time and

> Ultimately the decision to merge or not to merge comes to Junio, if
> you don't like his decision, go complain to him, but I would be
> prepared with points in time where people complained about these
> patches, and there are no complains, so you have no ammunition at all
> whatsoever.

I have no desire to "attack" you, Felipe.  I respect you as a more
experienced developer than myself, and am trying to offer constructive

I don't have an ego (or consider myself important to the community).
Whatever will happen will happen, with or without me.

> And this is how communities die. When everybody thinks the same, and
> everyone who thinks differently is displaced. A monoculture, a place
> full of yes-men where nobody criticizes anybody, a circlejerk where
> everyone palms the back of everyone else. Eventually things go south,
> and nobody around you understands why.
> Diversity in a community is healthy. If you don't like people who
> think differently, *you* have a problem. If you don't like standing up
> and defending your ideas, *you* have a problem. If you don't like
> discussing on the basis of evidence and reason, *you* have a problem.

Diversity is certainly healthy, and I it would be nice to have you in
the community.  We just have to find a way to keep the conflict down.
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