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In 1941-42 the coupe sold out of J.C. Penny Co in Denver. They used Sky Ranch east of Denver to demo. the planes. A 65 hp with wood prop. they demo,ed this way . full back on yoke full power up to field alt (at that time 600) brought it around chopped throttle and no power landed.ALL AT FULL BACK YOKE. THIS AT MI. HIGH ALT. That sold my dad on the ercoupe and he bought 99136 after the war in June of 1946. Jim P ----- Original Message ----- From: "MAGIC VAC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Ralph.Maria Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ercoupe Hangar Flying" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- Hartmut, how can you say that. 2,000 ft. per minute sink rate is about the same sink rate as the afore mentioned 800 lb. cook stove. The touchdown wouldn't be a pretty scene, and I doubt it'd be a walk away from landing. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartmut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MAGIC VAC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Ralph.Maria Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ercoupe Hangar Flying" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- > > > Well agreed . At 45 MPH ( depending on Coupe) the slightly bigger sink rate might be a fast descending > disaster. > But to keep up the optimism : your plane would touch ground still controllable and not stalled.... > > > Hartmut > > MAGIC VAC wrote: > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- > > > > I guess I don't understand this. Slightly bigger sink rate. I think a > > Coupe was much the same as my Colt. Power off, it wouldn't stall, as the > > Coupe won't stall. Pull the yoke back, and it finally settles into a normal > > flying attitude. Look at the rate of clime indicator, and you're going down > > faster than you're going forward. About 2,000 fpm down. Wouldn't be a > > pretty picture when you touched down. > > > > Larry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Hartmut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "MAGIC VAC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: "Ralph.Maria Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ercoupe Hangar Flying" > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:48 PM > > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds > > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any > > advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > > > > larry. > > > When flying low speeds in a Coupe I noticed the diffrence load does to the > > > flying characteristics. > > > At full gross 1400 # , we have been probably heavier, the plane would > > stall at > > > 56 miles like adverstised - power off. > > > When flying alone I can get down to 45 and have no bigger punishment than > > a > > > slightly bigger sink rate ( power off) . > > > I would not recomment flying 45 on final though. > > > > > > Hartmut > > > > > > MAGIC VAC wrote: > > > > > > > I guess my Coupe was abnormal. It actually flew like the book says it > > > > should. 58 mph was fall out of the sky speed-throttle off. I hear some > > of > > > > these 45-48 mph still flying speeds and wonder what you've done to make > > the > > > > plane outperform the published specifications. > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Hartmut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "MAGIC VAC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Cc: "Ralph.Maria Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ercoupe Hangar Flying" > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:31 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds > > > > > > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following > > any > > > > advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry. Check your airspeed meter. I can fly my Coupe at 45 MPH with > > tanks > > > > half empty and just me in it > > > > > (190 ##) - no stall , full throttle though. > > > > > To repeat the story of our second Coupe: That one had an airspeed > > meter > > > > showing bullshit , someone put > > > > > a worthless piece of ยง$%t into his plane just to save some money. > > arghh. > > > > landing that plane at speeds > > > > > around 65 was only possible with full power on final. After replacing > > the > > > > airspeed meter normal > > > > > readings appeared and normal behavior of the Coupe too. > > > > > I tried several times to land the plane at 60 - 70 like the book wants > > > > it - all that ended just in a > > > > > very fast decent and a hard bounce. No good. > > > > > God knows what speed I was really flying. I had to hold 80 on final. > > to > > > > fly a normal approach. Of > > > > > course these 80 MPH were just a fiction - something what the airspeed > > > > meter was making up. > > > > > > > > > > I think it is a very good idea to have the airspeed meter checked > > from > > > > time to time especially since > > > > > the coupe starts sinking when reaching lower speeds . > > > > > > > > > > By the way . I believe this tendency to sink is just the trade off > > needed > > > > by design to keep the coupe > > > > > in a controllable flying condition at low speeds. The Cessnas might > > be > > > > better sail planes but they > > > > > probably stall then more abrupt, while Weick's planes are just gently > > > > lowering the noses and just lose > > > > > altitude. > > > > > > > > > > If you know what to expect - I think Weick's planes are easier to deal > > > > with. > > > > > > > > > > So you might come down fast and land hard instead of stalling the > > plane on > > > > final - make your own > > > > > judgment. > > > > > (oh yes, I know Cessnas have flaps and ercoupes don't , I see it more > > like > > > > this: Cessnas need flaps and > > > > > Ercoupes don't) > > > > > > > > > > Hartmut > > > > > > > > > > MAGIC VAC wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before > > following > > > > any advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > > > > > > > If I had tried to fly around at 50 ias, I'd be on the ground. I get > > so > > > > > > tired of you guys telling me that you fly at 50, cause for me to do > > that > > > > I'd > > > > > > have had to be at full throttle just to keep from falling out of the > > > > sky. > > > > > > It certainly wouldn't have been fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Ralph.Maria Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: "Ercoupe Hangar Flying" <[email protected]> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 8:05 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before > > following > > > > any > > > > > > advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm with Hartmut. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can fly around at below 50mph IAS all day and not > > > > > > > lose altitude with the correct throttle setting. Of > > > > > > > course that wouldn't be considered a normal cruise, > > > > > > > but it's certainly possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The original poster seemed to want to fly in cruise > > > > > > > with his buddies with their slower airplanes. This is > > > > > > > easily done (70-80 mph) with no harm to anything > > > > > > > except your sanity, you will be bored silly at those > > > > > > > speeds. The Coupes make much better use of their > > > > > > > ponies than most aircraft. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for "falling out of the sky" at lower airspeeds, > > > > > > > why propagate that myth?? The Coupes sink more than > > > > > > > the notorious Cessna floaters that we are all trained > > > > > > > on, but that simply means it takes a couple of flights > > > > > > > to learn new habits. I quickly came to appreciate the > > > > > > > Coupes' characteristics and now dislike the Cessnas' > > > > > > > tendency to resist landing. My landings are > > > > > > > consistently much better with the Coupes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > > > > > > From: Hartmut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That does not make sense. > > > > > > > When flying slow , the engine does not generate much > > > > > > > heat, the cowl > > > > > > > flaps on a Coupe are wide open all > > > > > > > the time and I doubt a extreme nose high attitude is > > > > > > > given at speeds at > > > > > > > around 85 MPH.... > > > > > > > I find my Coupe extreme nose high with 45 MPH, but > > > > > > > would not consider > > > > > > > this a practical low speed flying > > > > > > > technique. > > > > > > > All other Speeds should allow for sufficient cooling > > > > > > > in regard to the > > > > > > > power setting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hartmut > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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