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Larry!
Without going into a dive, The highest sink rate I have observed in
my coupe is about 1200
ft/min!
Darwin
MAGIC VAC wrote:
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>
> Hartmut, how can you say that. 2,000 ft. per minute sink rate is about
the
> same sink rate as the afore mentioned 800 lb. cook stove. The touchdown
> wouldn't be a pretty scene, and I doubt it'd be a walk away from
landing.
>
> Larry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hartmut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "MAGIC VAC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Ralph.Maria Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ercoupe Hangar Flying"
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 2:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds
>
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> >
> >
> > Well agreed . At 45 MPH ( depending on Coupe) the slightly bigger sink
> rate might be a fast descending
> > disaster.
> > But to keep up the optimism : your plane would touch ground still
> controllable and not stalled....
> >
> >
> > Hartmut
> >
> > MAGIC VAC wrote:
> >
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> > >
> > > I guess I don't understand this. Slightly bigger sink rate. I
think a
> > > Coupe was much the same as my Colt. Power off, it wouldn't stall,
as
> the
> > > Coupe won't stall. Pull the yoke back, and it finally settles into
a
> normal
> > > flying attitude. Look at the rate of clime indicator, and you're
going
> down
> > > faster than you're going forward. About 2,000 fpm down. Wouldn't be
a
> > > pretty picture when you touched down.
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Hartmut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "MAGIC VAC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Cc: "Ralph.Maria Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ercoupe Hangar
Flying"
> > > <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:48 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds
> > >
> > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > larry.
> > > > When flying low speeds in a Coupe I noticed the diffrence load
does to
> the
> > > > flying characteristics.
> > > > At full gross 1400 # , we have been probably heavier, the plane
would
> > > stall at
> > > > 56 miles like adverstised - power off.
> > > > When flying alone I can get down to 45 and have no bigger
punishment
> than
> > > a
> > > > slightly bigger sink rate ( power off) .
> > > > I would not recomment flying 45 on final though.
> > > >
> > > > Hartmut
> > > >
> > > > MAGIC VAC wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I guess my Coupe was abnormal. It actually flew like the book
says
> it
> > > > > should. 58 mph was fall out of the sky speed-throttle off. I
hear
> some
> > > of
> > > > > these 45-48 mph still flying speeds and wonder what you've done
to
> make
> > > the
> > > > > plane outperform the published specifications.
> > > > >
> > > > > Larry
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Hartmut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: "MAGIC VAC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Cc: "Ralph.Maria Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ercoupe Hangar
> Flying"
> > > > > <[email protected]>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:31 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds
> > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Larry. Check your airspeed meter. I can fly my Coupe at 45 MPH
> with
> > > tanks
> > > > > half empty and just me in it
> > > > > > (190 ##) - no stall , full throttle though.
> > > > > > To repeat the story of our second Coupe: That one had an
airspeed
> > > meter
> > > > > showing bullshit , someone put
> > > > > > a worthless piece of ยง$%t into his plane just to save some
money.
> > > arghh.
> > > > > landing that plane at speeds
> > > > > > around 65 was only possible with full power on final. After
> replacing
> > > the
> > > > > airspeed meter normal
> > > > > > readings appeared and normal behavior of the Coupe too.
> > > > > > I tried several times to land the plane at 60 - 70 like the
book
> wants
> > > > > it - all that ended just in a
> > > > > > very fast decent and a hard bounce. No good.
> > > > > > God knows what speed I was really flying. I had to hold 80 on
> final.
> > > to
> > > > > fly a normal approach. Of
> > > > > > course these 80 MPH were just a fiction - something what the
> airspeed
> > > > > meter was making up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think it is a very good idea to have the airspeed meter
checked
> > > from
> > > > > time to time especially since
> > > > > > the coupe starts sinking when reaching lower speeds .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By the way . I believe this tendency to sink is just the trade
off
> > > needed
> > > > > by design to keep the coupe
> > > > > > in a controllable flying condition at low speeds. The Cessnas
> might
> > > be
> > > > > better sail planes but they
> > > > > > probably stall then more abrupt, while Weick's planes are just
> gently
> > > > > lowering the noses and just lose
> > > > > > altitude.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you know what to expect - I think Weick's planes are easier
to
> deal
> > > > > with.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So you might come down fast and land hard instead of stalling
the
> > > plane on
> > > > > final - make your own
> > > > > > judgment.
> > > > > > (oh yes, I know Cessnas have flaps and ercoupes don't , I see
it
> more
> > > like
> > > > > this: Cessnas need flaps and
> > > > > > Ercoupes don't)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hartmut
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MAGIC VAC wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If I had tried to fly around at 50 ias, I'd be on the
ground. I
> get
> > > so
> > > > > > > tired of you guys telling me that you fly at 50, cause for
me to
> do
> > > that
> > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > have had to be at full throttle just to keep from falling
out of
> the
> > > > > sky.
> > > > > > > It certainly wouldn't have been fun.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Larry
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Ralph.Maria Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > To: "Ercoupe Hangar Flying" <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 8:05 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds
> > > > > > >
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> > > following
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm with Hartmut.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I can fly around at below 50mph IAS all day and not
> > > > > > > > lose altitude with the correct throttle setting. Of
> > > > > > > > course that wouldn't be considered a normal cruise,
> > > > > > > > but it's certainly possible.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The original poster seemed to want to fly in cruise
> > > > > > > > with his buddies with their slower airplanes. This is
> > > > > > > > easily done (70-80 mph) with no harm to anything
> > > > > > > > except your sanity, you will be bored silly at those
> > > > > > > > speeds. The Coupes make much better use of their
> > > > > > > > ponies than most aircraft.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As for "falling out of the sky" at lower airspeeds,
> > > > > > > > why propagate that myth?? The Coupes sink more than
> > > > > > > > the notorious Cessna floaters that we are all trained
> > > > > > > > on, but that simply means it takes a couple of flights
> > > > > > > > to learn new habits. I quickly came to appreciate the
> > > > > > > > Coupes' characteristics and now dislike the Cessnas'
> > > > > > > > tendency to resist landing. My landings are
> > > > > > > > consistently much better with the Coupes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----------------------------
> > > > > > > > From: Hartmut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That does not make sense.
> > > > > > > > When flying slow , the engine does not generate much
> > > > > > > > heat, the cowl
> > > > > > > > flaps on a Coupe are wide open all
> > > > > > > > the time and I doubt a extreme nose high attitude is
> > > > > > > > given at speeds at
> > > > > > > > around 85 MPH....
> > > > > > > > I find my Coupe extreme nose high with 45 MPH, but
> > > > > > > > would not consider
> > > > > > > > this a practical low speed flying
> > > > > > > > technique.
> > > > > > > > All other Speeds should allow for sufficient cooling
> > > > > > > > in regard to the
> > > > > > > > power setting.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hartmut
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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