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I can live with 1200 fpm. Trouble is, hit the ground sinking ag 1200 fpm and it ain't going to be pretty. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darwin Girdauckis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- > > > Larry! > Without going into a dive, The highest sink rate I have observed in my coupe is about 1200 > ft/min! > Darwin > > MAGIC VAC wrote: > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- > > > > Hartmut, how can you say that. 2,000 ft. per minute sink rate is about the > > same sink rate as the afore mentioned 800 lb. cook stove. The touchdown > > wouldn't be a pretty scene, and I doubt it'd be a walk away from landing. > > > > Larry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Hartmut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "MAGIC VAC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: "Ralph.Maria Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ercoupe Hangar Flying" > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 2:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds > > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any > > advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > > > > Well agreed . At 45 MPH ( depending on Coupe) the slightly bigger sink > > rate might be a fast descending > > > disaster. > > > But to keep up the optimism : your plane would touch ground still > > controllable and not stalled.... > > > > > > > > > Hartmut > > > > > > MAGIC VAC wrote: > > > > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following > > any advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > > > I guess I don't understand this. Slightly bigger sink rate. I think a > > > > Coupe was much the same as my Colt. Power off, it wouldn't stall, as > > the > > > > Coupe won't stall. Pull the yoke back, and it finally settles into a > > normal > > > > flying attitude. Look at the rate of clime indicator, and you're going > > down > > > > faster than you're going forward. About 2,000 fpm down. Wouldn't be a > > > > pretty picture when you touched down. > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Hartmut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "MAGIC VAC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Cc: "Ralph.Maria Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ercoupe Hangar Flying" > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:48 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds > > > > > > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following > > any > > > > advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > larry. > > > > > When flying low speeds in a Coupe I noticed the diffrence load does to > > the > > > > > flying characteristics. > > > > > At full gross 1400 # , we have been probably heavier, the plane would > > > > stall at > > > > > 56 miles like adverstised - power off. > > > > > When flying alone I can get down to 45 and have no bigger punishment > > than > > > > a > > > > > slightly bigger sink rate ( power off) . > > > > > I would not recomment flying 45 on final though. > > > > > > > > > > Hartmut > > > > > > > > > > MAGIC VAC wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I guess my Coupe was abnormal. It actually flew like the book says > > it > > > > > > should. 58 mph was fall out of the sky speed-throttle off. I hear > > some > > > > of > > > > > > these 45-48 mph still flying speeds and wonder what you've done to > > make > > > > the > > > > > > plane outperform the published specifications. > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Hartmut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: "MAGIC VAC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Cc: "Ralph.Maria Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ercoupe Hangar > > Flying" > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:31 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before > > following > > > > any > > > > > > advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry. Check your airspeed meter. I can fly my Coupe at 45 MPH > > with > > > > tanks > > > > > > half empty and just me in it > > > > > > > (190 ##) - no stall , full throttle though. > > > > > > > To repeat the story of our second Coupe: That one had an airspeed > > > > meter > > > > > > showing bullshit , someone put > > > > > > > a worthless piece of ยง$%t into his plane just to save some money. > > > > arghh. > > > > > > landing that plane at speeds > > > > > > > around 65 was only possible with full power on final. After > > replacing > > > > the > > > > > > airspeed meter normal > > > > > > > readings appeared and normal behavior of the Coupe too. > > > > > > > I tried several times to land the plane at 60 - 70 like the book > > wants > > > > > > it - all that ended just in a > > > > > > > very fast decent and a hard bounce. No good. > > > > > > > God knows what speed I was really flying. I had to hold 80 on > > final. > > > > to > > > > > > fly a normal approach. Of > > > > > > > course these 80 MPH were just a fiction - something what the > > airspeed > > > > > > meter was making up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it is a very good idea to have the airspeed meter checked > > > > from > > > > > > time to time especially since > > > > > > > the coupe starts sinking when reaching lower speeds . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way . I believe this tendency to sink is just the trade off > > > > needed > > > > > > by design to keep the coupe > > > > > > > in a controllable flying condition at low speeds. The Cessnas > > might > > > > be > > > > > > better sail planes but they > > > > > > > probably stall then more abrupt, while Weick's planes are just > > gently > > > > > > lowering the noses and just lose > > > > > > > altitude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you know what to expect - I think Weick's planes are easier to > > deal > > > > > > with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you might come down fast and land hard instead of stalling the > > > > plane on > > > > > > final - make your own > > > > > > > judgment. > > > > > > > (oh yes, I know Cessnas have flaps and ercoupes don't , I see it > > more > > > > like > > > > > > this: Cessnas need flaps and > > > > > > > Ercoupes don't) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hartmut > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAGIC VAC wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before > > > > following > > > > > > any advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I had tried to fly around at 50 ias, I'd be on the ground. I > > get > > > > so > > > > > > > > tired of you guys telling me that you fly at 50, cause for me to > > do > > > > that > > > > > > I'd > > > > > > > > have had to be at full throttle just to keep from falling out of > > the > > > > > > sky. > > > > > > > > It certainly wouldn't have been fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Ralph.Maria Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > To: "Ercoupe Hangar Flying" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 8:05 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before > > > > following > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm with Hartmut. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can fly around at below 50mph IAS all day and not > > > > > > > > > lose altitude with the correct throttle setting. Of > > > > > > > > > course that wouldn't be considered a normal cruise, > > > > > > > > > but it's certainly possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The original poster seemed to want to fly in cruise > > > > > > > > > with his buddies with their slower airplanes. This is > > > > > > > > > easily done (70-80 mph) with no harm to anything > > > > > > > > > except your sanity, you will be bored silly at those > > > > > > > > > speeds. The Coupes make much better use of their > > > > > > > > > ponies than most aircraft. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for "falling out of the sky" at lower airspeeds, > > > > > > > > > why propagate that myth?? The Coupes sink more than > > > > > > > > > the notorious Cessna floaters that we are all trained > > > > > > > > > on, but that simply means it takes a couple of flights > > > > > > > > > to learn new habits. I quickly came to appreciate the > > > > > > > > > Coupes' characteristics and now dislike the Cessnas' > > > > > > > > > tendency to resist landing. My landings are > > > > > > > > > consistently much better with the Coupes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > > > > > > > > From: Hartmut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Slowest Cruise Speeds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That does not make sense. > > > > > > > > > When flying slow , the engine does not generate much > > > > > > > > > heat, the cowl > > > > > > > > > flaps on a Coupe are wide open all > > > > > > > > > the time and I doubt a extreme nose high attitude is > > > > > > > > > given at speeds at > > > > > > > > > around 85 MPH.... > > > > > > > > > I find my Coupe extreme nose high with 45 MPH, but > > > > > > > > > would not consider > > > > > > > > > this a practical low speed flying > > > > > > > > > technique. > > > > > > > > > All other Speeds should allow for sufficient cooling > > > > > > > > > in regard to the > > > > > > > > > power setting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hartmut > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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